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Old 10-15-2002, 05:44 AM   #1
Bruce Baker
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Aikido with legs?

There has been a lot of flap about grappling and submission of ground fighting being superior to Aikido because most of the techniques are done in a vertical position, not horizontal, on the ground.

Ok then, how about we start practicing doing techniques on the ground with our legs and feet the same as we do standing or kneeling?

Wacky? Maybe.

If you walked on your hands half the day, they would be as strong as your legs, and that would indeed be a powerful weapon. On the other hand, why aren't the legs as adept as the arms and hands?

No practice.

So how about we start adapting some of the hand techniques in another way as ground and leg techniques? Get this Aikido program rounded out a bit, eh?
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Old 10-15-2002, 06:10 AM   #2
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Grapling is considered superior by some, mainly because grapplers do well in fights like K1 and UFC. But the thing is, that there are rules against most techniques other than grapling there, so that's not strange... Sure, you're allowed to kick, punch and elbow your opponent. But no shots to the sack( ) and no attacking the eyes for example...

Submission is stupid in a real fight, because there might be others interfering with the fight (friends of the attacker ie). If you get down, get up as fast as possible, or else you might get hurt bad.

In a real fight there might also be consealed weapons, not so consealed weapons (chairs for example), walls and such.

Aikido has no groundfight techniques. But Aikido is not claiming to be a complete selfdefence art either...

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Old 10-15-2002, 09:03 AM   #3
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I've seen Saotome sensei use his feet (from a standing position) during tantodori by "slapping" the thrusting hand with his feet. He's also done many, many sweeps and balance breaks using only his feet. He's also had us using our knees and kicking, too.

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Old 10-15-2002, 10:49 AM   #4
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I find that when I've taken someone's wrist, or even locked up with them in a boxing-style hug, planting a foot behind them in one of my kung-fu moves can combine quite effectively with my limited Aikido training.

It's very hard to do, but when they lock you up like that, if you trip them and dive into a forward roll, you slam them into the ground badly and then roll right over their sternum headfirst. If they hold on to you, it tends to only hurt them, unless they are beastly strong.

"Those who beat their swords into plowshares plow for those who keep their's" -Ben Franklin
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Old 10-15-2002, 11:00 AM   #5
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Oh, yes. And then there are the "step on uke's foot as you're applying the technique (eg ikkyo)" and the "dig your big toe into the pressure point on top of the foot" tricks as well. Both done in aikido classes I've attended taught by my instructor.

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Old 10-16-2002, 12:28 AM   #6
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Jun Akiyama (akiy) wrote:
Oh, yes. And then there are the "step on uke's foot as you're applying the technique (eg ikkyo)" -- Jun
Okay, who's letting out the FMA tricks again. ;-) I do this a lot. Some times on purpose to stop the retreat and some tiems because I can be very clumsy.

Until again,


PS: Jun, missed you at the Extension's conference. See you in Spetember in Vegas?

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