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Old 08-21-2012, 02:57 PM   #1
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Iwata or Tozando Hakama

If you had to pick between the following which one would it be:

1. http://www.tozandoshop.com/Tozando_Cotton_Aikido_Hakama_p/183-ah900[235b].htm

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2. http://www.masamune-store.com/iwata-cotton-black,fr,4,HA_HI_COB_xxx.cfm
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Old 08-21-2012, 08:35 PM   #2
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Re: Iwata or Tozando Hakama

I wear cotton indigo dyed Hakama. For years, I've only worn Iwata brand. However, last year I bought a Tozando indigo dyed Hakama. I feel that lately the Tozando quality has been superior to Iwata. I see this in both the Tozando indigo dyed Hakama and their gi. Also, the Tozando prices are a bit lower.

That being said, I bought the black cotton Tozando Hakama that you linked as a gift for one of our students after passing his Shodan exam (he is 73 years old BTW) last year. I have also seen the similar Iwata black cotton Hakama. Although I haven't worn it or folded it, visually the Iwata brand looks 'better' in terms of the fabric and pleating than the Tozando.

Another comment, the size of the kanji/katakana (if you choose to have embroidery) on the Iwata is larger than the Tozando. Although, Tozando has more color and style choices.

I don't think you'll go wrong with either choice.
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Old 08-21-2012, 10:29 PM   #3
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Re: Iwata or Tozando Hakama

Well I wouldn't by the Iwata from that site. That costs a fortune. If you are going to get an Iwata hakama, get it from the manufacturer at the site below.

http://www.alpha-net.ne.jp/users2/iwataco/frame2e.html

In all honesty though, I don't think there is much of a difference. If the Tozando one is cheaper then I would get that. Having said that, I own 2 Iwata hakamas and I am very happy with them. I got them because the Iwata shop was closer to where I was living (Iwata is based in Tokyo, and Tozando is in Kyoto, I think.)
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:20 AM   #4
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Re: Iwata or Tozando Hakama

Both are excellent quality. I ended up buying the Tozando because their website and ordering process was far easier for one who doesn't speak Japanese. It is top quality and has worn very well.

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Old 08-22-2012, 02:01 PM   #5
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Re: Iwata or Tozando Hakama

I've ordered from Tozando a number of times (gi's, hakama, and weapons) and always been impressed with their quality and service.
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Old 08-22-2012, 05:04 PM   #6
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Re: Iwata or Tozando Hakama

I own a Tozando polyester hakama and it's the I've ever owned. Not sure about their cotton hakama but judging by the quality of their other products I would not hesitate to try it.

You could also check on www.e-bogu.com, which might offer a less expensive and still acceptable quality option.
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Old 08-23-2012, 05:25 AM   #7
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Re: Iwata or Tozando Hakama

I've got a Tozando cotton hakama - it's really nice though it does wrinkle a lot.

I guess my next hakama will be a Tozando with a different fabric. Probably a Cotton / Polyester blend

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Old 08-23-2012, 05:43 AM   #8
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Re: Iwata or Tozando Hakama

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Jørgen Jakob Friis wrote: View Post
I've got a Tozando cotton hakama - it's really nice though it does wrinkle a lot.

I guess my next hakama will be a Tozando with a different fabric. Probably a Cotton / Polyester blend
If your looking for the non cotton, I have their deluxe polyester "cashmire feel" hakama with stitched pleats (stitches on the inside can't be seen). This doesn't wrinkle, holds its pleats, and folds easily. Best hakama I own.
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:22 AM   #9
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Re: Iwata or Tozando Hakama

I had an indigo Iwata hakama that lasted from early 2005 to early 2010, at which time the knees had thinned out a lot and it tore when somebody stepped on it whilst throwing me. I patched it but the patch material is too thick for it to be comfortable in the warm months.

So I got a black cotton Tozando aikido hakama at the end of 2010. It is really nice but I get threads coming out of it all the time. I'd go with Iwata if trying to choose between the two. But FWIW next hakama I purchase will be a bujin one from aikido24.com.
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