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Old 06-10-2012, 09:28 AM   #451
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I agree..

Peace.G.
I'm glad you like. Take care. Enjoy life. Your on your own path...

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Old 06-10-2012, 01:05 PM   #452
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Ok. Thank you for answering. I didn't mean to provoke in any way.

I just don't understand the intention to seperate a given word with oblique stroke. In the Geman language this wouldn't make any sense at all. There would be no "information" in it.
It's just an initialism. Like shorthand. It may be lazy grammar technically but very common here. Sure you know what it stands for.

I could have said: Spiritual Aikido fe de conscious man dem and de udder ip ting deh fe dem internal people dem.

Peace.G.
 
Old 06-10-2012, 03:44 PM   #453
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Spiritual Aikido fe de conscious man dem and de udder ip ting deh fe dem internal people dem.
So you've been telling us...

"That which has no substance can enter where there is no room."
Lao Tzu

"Eternity forever!"

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Old 06-10-2012, 03:47 PM   #454
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Sure you know what it stands for.
I seem to recall many a post of yours which chastises others for assuming what you do or do not know.

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I could have said: Spiritual Aikido fe de conscious man dem and de udder ip ting deh fe dem internal people dem.
And just as intelligible as your previous posts. RASTA!

Haha.
Ah Graham, you crack me up.

Take care,
Anthony
 
Old 06-10-2012, 06:19 PM   #455
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It's just an initialism. Like shorthand. It may be lazy grammar technically but very common here.

Peace.G.
Very common? In U/K?

 
Old 06-10-2012, 08:49 PM   #456
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For Carsten: Very common in English, although formally incorrect. Like using quotes around words on signs or putting an apostrophe before the final 's' on words that don't need it. I think people feel like a bunch of letters got left out, you should have something in there to show that they're gone. I'P? I.P.? That would be correct, actually.) I-P? But a capitalized acronym doesn't need anything.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 12:45 AM   #457
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Thank you very much!!!
 
Old 06-11-2012, 06:19 AM   #458
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It's just an initialism. Like shorthand. It may be lazy grammar technically but very common here. Sure you know what it stands for.

I could have said: Spiritual Aikido fe de conscious man dem and de udder ip ting deh fe dem internal people dem.

Peace.G.
Dear Graham,
The last quote [Rasta] is more intelligent than some of your other quotes.Why not just carry on using the Jamaica patois?Cheers, Joe.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 06:34 AM   #459
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Dear Graham,
The last quote [Rasta] is more intelligent than some of your other quotes.Why not just carry on using the Jamaica patois?Cheers, Joe.
Joe

I trust your good lady is knitting you a rainbow coloured tea cozy ?

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Old 06-11-2012, 09:37 AM   #460
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Dear Graham,
The last quote [Rasta] is more intelligent than some of your other quotes.Why not just carry on using the Jamaica patois?Cheers, Joe.
Joe:

I think that we should put that to the test as well.... My friend from Kingston and I will drop him off in some nice places like Trivoli Gardens, Trenchtown, Spanishtown. etc. and see how the Patois hold up

Be Well my friend,

Marc Abrams
 
Old 06-11-2012, 09:57 AM   #461
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Dear Graham,
The last quote [Rasta] is more intelligent than some of your other quotes.Why not just carry on using the Jamaica patois?Cheers, Joe.
Joe. Niceness my friend. Ya see, me na deal wit no intelligentia ya know. A genalship dat. (ya see dat word deh com from old time man deh, de generals.) So, dem man av de big word dem and dem inteligence but ya know wah, dem fool!!! Dem ave two face..

How do you like that?

Henry? Ya see big man don't affa chat so, me no know why im affa gwan so like me uncle......

Marc...ah true ting dat.....mek sure ya friend na deal wid no understanding ya hear me, im mus overstand de overstandings an no deal wid no dibby dibby business....

Peace.G.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 10:34 AM   #462
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Yo G,

Mi hav fi ask ya. Is what you consider "true" aiki a martial art or is jus a spiritual path? The thread been long and winding, to go back and reread would take too much time... Thanks.

CW
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:03 PM   #463
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Yo G,

Mi hav fi ask ya. Is what you consider "true" aiki a martial art or is jus a spiritual path? The thread been long and winding, to go back and reread would take too much time... Thanks.

CW
Yeah, it's a bit long.

I believe it is both. True spiritual path and thus true martial art.

Peace.G.
 
Old 06-11-2012, 01:43 PM   #464
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G,

10-04. Enjoy!!! Take care.

CW
 
Old 06-12-2012, 02:22 AM   #465
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Joe. Niceness my friend. Ya see, me na deal wit no intelligentia ya know. A genalship dat. (ya see dat word deh com from old time man deh, de generals.) So, dem man av de big word dem and dem inteligence but ya know wah, dem fool!!! Dem ave two face..

How do you like that?

Henry? Ya see big man don't affa chat so, me no know why im affa gwan so like me uncle......

Marc...ah true ting dat.....mek sure ya friend na deal wid no understanding ya hear me, im mus overstand de overstandings an no deal wid no dibby dibby business....

Peace.G.
Graham,
The mail above would make a good rap song/Ska song.Your wasting your talent .Rather than sitting at the keyboard telling us about the many aspects of your aikido, you could be making loadsamoney as the worlds first Aikido rapper sensation.Cheers, Joe.
 
Old 06-12-2012, 02:28 AM   #466
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Joe:

I think that we should put that to the test as well.... My friend from Kingston and I will drop him off in some nice places like Trivoli Gardens, Trenchtown, Spanishtown. etc. and see how the Patois hold up

Be Well my friend,

Marc Abrams
Hi Marc,
Are you testing Grahams vocal skills in Rasta talk, or are you suggesting that you are trying to lose him somewhere?Be a good fellow , send out a rescue party for Graham[not too early ] or lend him a sat nav, to get back to civilization.Cheers, Joe
 
Old 06-12-2012, 01:27 PM   #467
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The mail above would make a good rap song/Ska song.Your wasting your talent .Rather than sitting at the keyboard telling us about the many aspects of your aikido, you could be making loadsamoney as the worlds first Aikido rapper sensation.Cheers, Joe.
Just feel it Joe, then blend and flow, Aikido.....yo!

Peace.G.
 
Old 06-15-2012, 07:05 PM   #468
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(Aiki...is not...and never was...about joining.)

Just read this on another thread. Is this an Aiki perspective?
Peace.G.
 
Old 06-15-2012, 08:01 PM   #469
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(Aiki...is not...and never was...about joining.)

Just read this on another thread. Is this an Aiki perspective?
Peace.G.
Which thread? Is it better than this one?
Regards,
Anthony
 
Old 06-15-2012, 09:42 PM   #470
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(Aiki...is not...and never was...about joining.)

Just read this on another thread. Is this an Aiki perspective?
Peace.G.
I think that would depend on the semantics. I'm guessing this essentially means that aiki is not about compromising yourself for the sake of another, which is, I think, the meaning some folks apply to the idea of harmonizing with an attacker (in some kind of de factor sense, at least). My understanding, limited though it obviously is, is that aiki essentially forces connection...or at least includes, an irresistable force of attraction...that "sticky" quality.
Take care,
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:06 AM   #471
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I think that would depend on the semantics. I'm guessing this essentially means that aiki is not about compromising yourself for the sake of another, which is, I think, the meaning some folks apply to the idea of harmonizing with an attacker (in some kind of de factor sense, at least). My understanding, limited though it obviously is, is that aiki essentially forces connection...or at least includes, an irresistable force of attraction...that "sticky" quality.
Take care,
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That's interesting. Like sticky hands in wing chun?

The reference of not ever being about joining was followed by a sentence saying it was always learned solo, before ever touching hands.

That all fits with my view on I/P and puts it in perspective for me. Back to internal stuff yet nothing to do with Aikido.

Peace. G.
 
Old 06-16-2012, 10:11 AM   #472
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That's interesting. Like sticky hands in wing chun?
I think so...similar at least. My thinking had to do with a quality to practice where once connected, ideally aite cannot seperate unless tori allows for it.

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The reference of not ever being about joining was followed by a sentence saying it was always learned solo, before ever touching hands.

That all fits with my view on I/P and puts it in perspective for me. Back to internal stuff yet nothing to do with Aikido.

Peace. G.
I couldn't say for sure of course, but my guess is this might have to do with meditation practices like chinkon no gyo, designed to focus on the integration of forces within the body; centering around centers of power like hara, etc. I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with Aikido. It might not be necessary for its practice, but I get the sense it can be a very big and central part of it and that O Sensei pobably felt it was important.
I'm not sure of much though, so, for whatever it's worth...
Take care,
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Old 06-16-2012, 11:46 AM   #473
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That's interesting. Like sticky hands in wing chun?

The reference of not ever being about joining was followed by a sentence saying it was always learned solo, before ever touching hands.

That all fits with my view on I/P and puts it in perspective for me. Back to internal stuff yet nothing to do with Aikido.

Peace. G.
And the founder ...of...aikido would completely disagree with you. You don't get it Graham and none of the Teachers I have met ...in...aikido can function against what I am doing.
Why?
Because I (and others as well) am the one doing the aiki...do, that Ueshiba was talking about. The teachers I have met have no ability to blend with me, or move me with aiki because they quite simply do not know what aiki truly is.
When Osensei said "I am the universe" He was not making an egotistical or shamanistic statement. You need to develop aiki in you, then when someone touches you, your ki controls their ki.
"Aiki in me, before aiki between thee and me."
I am very well aware of the fact that this is diametrically opposed to the accepted doctrine of modern Aikido. I am also intimately aware of the fact that my view (which is the classical view Ueshiba kept talking about) continues to completely take apart all those who practice your view. In other words. Your aikido ceases to function against aiki.
Ignorance of thousands of years of Asian teaching doesn't make someone correct or the result of their mistranslations now...true. It just makes them ignorant of profound truths.

Where we stand now is that people want to eliminate "competition" or success against pressure for the simple reason that it then allows all manner of New-age spirituality and personal spirituality to be acceptable and equally true or valid as a practice, when none of it empowers them to actually do..anything of worth against those who know the correct model.
Ueshiba was right and it seems desperately ignorant to ignore the fact that he...always won, and those practicing this way...keep winning as well.

Graham
I will be happy to check in with you when I can meet one of you who can do "aiki" with me. I will be the first to shout it from the roof tops!!!
In the mean time, I will continue to practice ...and quote...what Ueshiba was talking about, while everyone I continue to meet in Aikido stands there dumbfounded at what HIS work produces!
It is stunningly obvious that he was right after all.
Dan

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Old 06-16-2012, 01:21 PM   #474
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Matthew Gano wrote:

"...aiki essentially forces connection...or at least includes, an irresistable force of attraction...that "sticky" quality."

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Like sticky hands in wing chun?
No. I think he means that the person who grabs an aiki person finds it difficult to let go of them.

Wing Chun sticky hands is a technique. The wing chun man learns to stick to the other guy and lead him.

What I mean is when you can't let go of the aiki man--no matter where you grab him. As Matt said, "an irresistible force of attraction" that comes from the body of the aiki practitioner. You become stuck to him and must go where he goes.

I, unfortunately, have not developed that but I have felt it with others. Very few, but some.

FWIW

David

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Old 06-16-2012, 02:38 PM   #475
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David,

Can this sticky-Aiki be done without First affecting the uki's frame/structure?
And, if so, can it be done without touching (like a magnetic force) uke's body?
Can it also Act as a repelling force without making contact with uke's body?

With great interest,

Chris

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