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Old 10-28-2007, 07:05 AM   #176
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall

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you are luckier than I am, I got kicked out of the dojo cos I fell in the wrong direction ( maybe 20 degrees off) after nage tried the second time.
The chief instructor went ballistic and would not even listen to my explaination.
Quite a few "my way or the highway" instructors around.
Hi Loh,

Deja vu. Heard this story before. Probably from Astro on Demand channel.

Ossu

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Old 11-13-2007, 06:12 PM   #177
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall

For me resistance sometimes needs to be negotiated. When you are just learning the form, foot/hand work you don't want an uke who is looking to escape or frustrate. Other times I ask my uke to resists, look for weak points, etc. Other times, depending on your level, it is random, spontaneous and used to keep you on your toes (dojo-itus). Just depends.
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Old 11-13-2007, 08:09 PM   #178
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall

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Hi,
you are luckier than I am, I got kicked out of the dojo cos I fell in the wrong direction ( maybe 20 degrees off) after nage tried the second time.
The chief instructor went ballistic and would not even listen to my explaination.
Quite a few "my way or the highway" instructors around.
You just do not understand....

Your direction of the fall must be at exactly North 35.56 degrees East at exactly 12.06.45 pm in order to align with the Earth Meridian and Chi. No wonder your sensei chased you out of the dojo.. You did not conform to Feng Shui principles.

For foreign friends who did not get it... the above post was Boon's poor attempt at injecting HUMOUR. I' ll go some push up or something.

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Old 11-14-2007, 12:20 AM   #179
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall

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Hi,
you are luckier than I am, I got kicked out of the dojo cos I fell in the wrong direction ( maybe 20 degrees off) after nage tried the second time.
The chief instructor went ballistic and would not even listen to my explaination.
Quite a few "my way or the highway" instructors around.
Hi Loh,

I'm 100 Plus (%) sure that you were from a Yoshinkan dojo and the nage could be a kin of the chief instructor.

So, which highway are you on now? Look out for some billboards on aikido!!

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Old 11-18-2007, 06:31 PM   #180
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Re: Instructor got mad because I didnt fall

It sounds like the black belt wasn't ready to receive information from you- I have found that some people get really over-concerned with rank and won't take instruction from someone they consider less-experienced.

Good information can come from everyone you train with, IMO, and you need to listen even if it is painful.
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:50 PM   #181
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Of course it is preferable to communicate with your instructor, rather than stir up sentiments in a forum. Keep in mind that the uke must do the technique with the Nage. That is Aiki. Uke moving in the wrong direction is as bad as nage moving in the wrong direction.

And consider that by not co-operating you are opening up to an injury, possibly a break or a dislocation. Then your nage will be appear to be responsible.

There is a possibility that your nage is an unhinged control freak.
But remember, your first kyu test proceeds with ukemi. It is assumed that by that point you understand what is expected of you.
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:41 PM   #182
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Of course it is preferable to communicate with your instructor, rather than stir up sentiments in a forum.
But where's the fun in that? I want my forum entertainment, and I want it now!
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Old 12-05-2007, 08:31 AM   #183
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Hi Andy,

Hey, you can't fix something if you don't know it's broken! He should be THANKING you instead of being pissed at you!

Just let it go, his ego will heal without you having to stroke it!

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Old 12-06-2007, 03:30 AM   #184
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"Your direction of the fall must be at exactly North 35.56 degrees East at exactly 12.06.45 pm in order to align with the Earth Meridian and Chi. No wonder your sensei chased you out of the dojo.. You did not conform to Feng Shui principles." XuZen wroye

That might just be it and I would have apologised if he had said exactly that before showing me the highway.
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Old 12-13-2007, 12:58 PM   #185
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He should thank you for being honest and continue to work on his jo-kata. Black belts sometimes colour the mind.
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:43 AM   #186
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Simple: Kohai is always wrong. Accept it and move on.

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Old 05-01-2012, 02:00 AM   #187
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Simple: Kohai is always wrong. Accept it and move on.

In Good Practice...

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Old 05-01-2012, 09:52 AM   #188
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:02 PM   #189
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I wouldn't worry about that jerk being mad at you because you didn't fall. Wow!!! If a "black belt" can't throw a lower ranking belt, then there is something wrong----NOT with your honesty but with his "skill", which doesn't sound too good to me. Had that happened in my dojo, I'd have run that "black belt" all the way to the West Coast and let him stay there. You did the right thing. Blow it off and continue to train.
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Old 05-01-2012, 01:45 PM   #190
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I've got a great technique for you, its from kung-fu, and If your instructor is reading this, it'll give it all away.
The instructor is holding one end of the jo, and pushes the other end in your hands, which you grab, and pull on. After doing a tug of war for a while, to set him up, you let go of the jo, and, with one hand, you whip throw your end around the instructors neck, The jo is now wrapped around his neck, with him still holding on to one end of it. You step forward, grab the jo, hanging backwards around his neck, and using your other hand/arm, as well, execute an irimi -type throw on him.
Works like a charm against someone who's not ready for it.
But, be careful with it. they might kick you out of the dojo for embarrasing the instructor
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Old 05-01-2012, 02:12 PM   #191
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I'd have run that "black belt" all the way to the West Coast and let him stay there.
Just so long as they pay their dues on time then keep 'em coming. Otherwise please don't send them here.

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Old 05-02-2012, 02:43 AM   #192
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He shouldn't be mad at you.... He should be mad at himself....
I would not have fallen for a black belt ... maybe a kyu, but not a dan....
Assuredly I say that he is mad with himself, just projecting his anger elsewhere.

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Old 05-02-2012, 02:55 AM   #193
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Wow!!! If a "black belt" can't throw a lower ranking belt, then there is something wrong----NOT with your honesty but with his "skill", which doesn't sound too good to me.
I think we should all be honest, the "belt" no matter the color doesn't do the throwing.

The original post provides very little insight into what was going on. But based on the poster's level (orange belt) could it also be that the senior chose not to "force" the technique for fear of injuring a less experienced partner?

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Our head Sensei approached me and told me that 'my control' was not there and that the senior student was upset with me.
This sounds less like a student that is waiting for a solid technique and more like a student that is providing too much resistance for safety concerns.

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