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Old 12-12-2011, 01:58 PM   #1
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question about the circle, triangle, and square

Is there some particular order here? We've got some seriously spiffy calligraphy on the wall at our dojo but I don't know whether its supposed to go right to left or left to right.
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Old 12-12-2011, 02:20 PM   #2
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

Sengai's famous image can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/ctbqqy7
Though the context may well be different.
It almost says "Tao"...
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Old 12-12-2011, 04:50 PM   #3
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

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Is there some particular order here? We've got some seriously spiffy calligraphy on the wall at our dojo but I don't know whether its supposed to go right to left or left to right.
Usually it goes triangle circle square - Ueshiba uses that order in Take Musu Aiki, IIRC. Left to right or right to left, it doesn't make much difference, though most modern Japanese tends to be written left to right.

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Old 12-12-2011, 05:11 PM   #4
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

http://www.csuchico.edu/~gwilliams/t..._Michi_10.html

http://www.tsubakishrine.org/aikido/index.html

In Tsubaki America's haiden (if I'm recalling correctly) there is a picture of triangle circle and square which goes left to right, respectively. On the web page it also is shown in that format. I can see how it might go right to left given the direction of Japanese writing, but I couldn't say very well. Considering as a group they seem to represent a kind of unitary principle, I can see how there might not always be a fixed order. Looking at the physical symbolism of gas, liquid, and solid, depending on whether you're warming up or cooling down, you move from one "direction" to another, for example.
Hopefully people with a better understanding will be able to shed a more definate light on the subject...oops didn't see Chris's post when I started this: there ya go.

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Old 12-12-2011, 07:30 PM   #5
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

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Old 12-13-2011, 12:17 AM   #6
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

It makes sense to go triangle, circle, square to me too because it seems to shadow the process of a technique / situation.

The world changes when you do.
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Old 12-13-2011, 01:06 AM   #7
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

All of the answers are here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNT8SMlqLJA

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Old 12-13-2011, 04:38 AM   #8
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

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"scissors cuts paper
paper covers rock
rock crushes lizard
lizard poisons spock
spock smashes scissors
scissors decapitates lizard
lizard eats paper
paper disproves spock
spock vaporizes rock
and as it always has rock crushes scissors"

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Old 12-13-2011, 05:51 AM   #9
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Let's not forget the "cross of aiki".

The Playstation guys are into something.

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Old 12-13-2011, 07:13 AM   #10
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

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Let's not forget the "cross of aiki".

The Playstation guys are into something.
Oooh I like that, that's one of mine.
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Old 12-13-2011, 07:57 AM   #11
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

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Usually it goes triangle circle square - Ueshiba uses that order in Take Musu Aiki, IIRC. Left to right or right to left, it doesn't make much difference, though most modern Japanese tends to be written left to right.

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Well I don't think calligraphy and modern Japanese are entirely unified sets.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:13 AM   #12
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Re: question about the circle, triangle, and square

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Well I don't think calligraphy and modern Japanese are entirely unified sets.
No, but if you see most calligraphy these days it tends to go right to left. Why not? It's what most people are used to seeing and writing.

It's not a rule, though, you still see left to right here and there.

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Old 12-13-2011, 08:38 AM   #13
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No, but if you see most calligraphy these days it tends to go right to left. Why not? It's what most people are used to seeing and writing.

It's not a rule, though, you still see left to right here and there.

Best,

Chris
When the brushes come out, its pretty much right to left, top to bottom.Though the kanji themselves tend to go top to bottom, left to right. And of course all rules that cover anything in Japanese are 100% absolute, except for the exceptions.
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