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Old 11-02-2011, 09:31 AM   #51
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Re: Taking notes?

I would add that without notes I would never remember things when working at home like which foot and hand to match up, to start something with stepping left or right first, to step vs. slide, which foot to pivot on, or on internal exercises which things move together and which opposite, when to open and when to close....I don't understand how people hold those things in their mind/body withOUT some written reminder when they are early in the learning process.

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Old 11-02-2011, 10:03 AM   #52
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not much of a note taker meself. i have a different method that i used. before i go to bed, i would sit and meditate where i will "replay" the various moves or things that i learned that day. if you watch the movie Kuro Obi, at the end, where it shown the guys, one at the time, in a darken room with light shining on him, does the kata (i liked the kata done by the gojuryu guy - akihito yagi). that is what i do. imagine myself in a darken room with light shine on me performing the moves and correcting as i see fit. then when i need to do the move(s), i just put my body where my mind's body was. used to drive my karate instructor nuts. he would show me kata after kata (i was kyu rank at the time), to the point he would show me dan ranked kata like kusanku, empi, jutte and so on. he said each of these kata would take dan level at least 6 months. i went through each of them in a few weeks. he asked me how i did that. i told him my approach. after that he shown me the nunchaku and tonfa kata instead. i believed he was hoping that i knocked myself in the head and stop bother him.

so when i meditated and went through the kata, i used to twitch my body to follow the moves. my wife asked why i twitched while meditating. i said i was doing the high level and sophisticated meditation technique: dyslexic meditation.

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Old 11-02-2011, 10:05 AM   #53
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For me the traditional, see and do, see and do, the whole kata start to finish each time, if it is more than 3 or 4 movements is utterly baffling.
I'm not sure how traditional that is... my two main teachers both have classical weapons training, and both teach kata a few moves at a time. (Depending on the class. They'll move more quickly with a class that already knows that particular kata.)

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Old 11-02-2011, 10:08 AM   #54
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Phi, I learned to do the muscle twitch thing during the long months I was off the mat after ACL graft. I'd sit on a chair off the mat, watching class, and sort of "twitch along with sensei"; then when driving home or sitting and relaxing at home would do it again. It DOES help build "muscle memory."

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not much of a note taker meself. i have a different method that i used. before i go to bed, i would sit and meditate where i will "replay" the various moves or things that i learned that day. if you watch the movie Kuro Obi, at the end, where it shown the guys, one at the time, in a darken room with light shining on him, does the kata (i liked the kata done by the gojuryu guy - akihito yagi). that is what i do. imagine myself in a darken room with light shine on me performing the moves and correcting as i see fit. then when i need to do the move(s), i just put my body where my mind's body was. used to drive my karate instructor nuts. he would show me kata after kata (i was kyu rank at the time), to the point he would show me dan ranked kata like kusanku, empi, jutte and so on. he said each of these kata would take dan level at least 6 months. i went through each of them in a few weeks. he asked me how i did that. i told him my approach. after that he shown me the nunchaku and tonfa kata instead. i believed he was hoping that i knocked myself in the head and stop bother him.

so when i meditated and went through the kata, i used to twitch my body to follow the moves. my wife asked why i twitched while meditating. i said i was doing the high level and sophisticated meditation technique: dyslexic meditation.

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Old 11-02-2011, 10:10 AM   #55
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I'm not sure how traditional that is... my two main teachers both have classical weapons training, and both teach kata a few moves at a time. (Depending on the class. They'll move more quickly with a class that already knows that particular kata.)

Katherine
Well, that's good to know. Sure seems to be "traditional" in many aikido dojos of the various flavors I've trained in.

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Old 11-02-2011, 10:59 AM   #56
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not much of a note taker meself. i have a different method that i used. before i go to bed, i would sit and meditate where i will "replay" the various moves or things that i learned that day.
There are good neurological reasons for this. When you watch somebody do something or when you visualize it in detail yourself, whole sections of the brain fire in the same pattern as if you were actually doing it yourself. So there's a real training benefit there.
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Old 11-02-2011, 11:13 AM   #57
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There are good neurological reasons for this. When you watch somebody do something or when you visualize it in detail yourself, whole sections of the brain fire in the same pattern as if you were actually doing it yourself. So there's a real training benefit there.
Yupps. There's research on this. Some sports coaches use it.
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Old 11-02-2011, 03:23 PM   #58
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If you visualize it, it´s important that you visualize as realistic as possible.

My former whitewater slalom coach used to time his visualized runs and compare them to the real ones, the difference was usually just a couple of seconds. I have never been good at that kind of visualization, my times were not even close.
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Old 11-02-2011, 04:24 PM   #59
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If you visualize it, it´s important that you visualize as realistic as possible.

My former whitewater slalom coach used to time his visualized runs and compare them to the real ones, the difference was usually just a couple of seconds. I have never been good at that kind of visualization, my times were not even close.
Interesting exercise!

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Old 11-02-2011, 05:19 PM   #60
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Notes, pictures, photos, arrows, shoe diagrams...I agree with everyone who has said that it isn't about the notation but rather the mental process of ruminating on instruction in order to record something. It is akin to an additional class.
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