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Old 09-22-2011, 08:25 AM   #26
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Re: Who brought the Saito a.k.a. Iwama lineage to Europe?

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Hi Peter,

I'm sure you have already mentioned it, but when were you training regularly at Ryushinkan? As I didn't really start practising regularly with KS until about 1981, your recollections are very interesting to me.

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Alex,

I returned from the USA in 1975. I lived in Brighton initially, but moved to London in 1976. Since I was a Ph.D student at University College London, I trained at the closest dojo, which was Ryushinkan in Albany Street. If you remember other names, Barry Hutchinson, Roger, Francis, Ross (an Iranian student), Murray Walker and the Helsby brothers were training at the time.

On occasion, I went to Oxford to teach at the dojo. I think your father might remember. I left the UK in March, 1980.

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Old 09-22-2011, 08:31 AM   #27
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Dear Peter,
In the period of time [too long I may add]I trained with Mr K I cannot ever recollect seeing him doing Jo work.As far a Sekiya S
ensei is concerned he taught kesa at Chester, Glasgow and in B/Ham. Cheers, Joe.
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Old 09-22-2011, 08:37 AM   #28
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Dear Peter,
I may be wrong but I would find it difficult to believe the assertion that Chiba Sensei stopped Sekiya Sensei from teaching Kesa giri movements.I say this because when I trained in San Diego Aikikai
Chiba Sensei was teaching kesa giri exercises.Check out You tube.
Vids were put up by Hadronica without asking my permission.
These vids came from my own collection.Cheers, Joe
Hello Joe,

This thread is about Saito Sensei's aiki-ken and aiki-jo in Europe (including the UK). It was Alex who mentioned the teaching of kesa-giri and the influence of Sekiya Sensei.

I do not think K Chiba intended to stop M Sekiya from teaching kesa-giri movements, but I believe he did stop him teaching such movements as part of kashima shinryu kata during aikido classes. In my experience at Ryushinkan, Sekiya Sensei and certainly Kanetsuka Sensei practised and taught kesa-giri as part of the kashima shinryu kata during aikido classes and this is what Chiba Sensei found unacceptable.

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Old 09-22-2011, 08:37 AM   #29
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Alex,

I returned from the USA in 1975. I lived in Brighton initially, but moved to London in 1976. Since I was a Ph.D student at University College London, I trained at the closest dojo, which was Ryushinkan in Albany Street. If you remember other names, Barry Hutchinson, Roger, Francis, Ross (an Iranian student), Murray Walker and the Helsby brothers were training at the time.

On occasion, I went to Oxford to teach at the dojo. I think your father might remember. I left the UK in March, 1980.

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Ross Shirazi, Murray Walker, Sheila Walker ? the Helbys.Murray was a character .I also remember Barry and Roger.Joe.
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Ross Shirazi, Murray Walker, Sheila Walker ? the Helbys.Murray was a character .I also remember Barry and Roger.Joe.
Yes, there was Sheila, but I don't think she trained much at Ryushinkan. At Tempukan there were people like Margaret and Hepzibah, Dee Chen and her brother Philip, Aidan Smyth, Stuart Broughton and John Ferris. But I remember the earlier time at the Chiswick dojo, where Michael Holloway and the Greeks trained (and a very young Kanetsuka and his future wife Susan). And Bob Lincoln (from Chelmsford, I believe). This was in the early 70s. When I came back from the US, I met Terry Ezra and once went with him to visit Jean Morgan. This period (1975 -1980) was when I think we met for the first time.

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When Kanetsuka came to Antwerp Belgium ( around1977/78) he thaught jo and ken, and i remember he was using his feet in a different way (more yoshinkan) then Saito in the jo kata and the ken suburi. I can't remember if he explained about the origin of the use of Ken and Jo. But I remember the scenario of the kata were the same as Saito. Around the same time we had a member (vietnamese I think) who trained with Sekiya, but he didn't do much weapons. A lot of suwari waza and kokyu ho.

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When Kanetsuka came to Antwerp Belgium ( around1977/78) he thaught jo and ken, and i remember he was using his feet in a different way (more yoshinkan) then Saito in the jo kata and the ken suburi. I can't remember if he explained about the origin of the use of Ken and Jo. But I remember the scenario of the kata were the same as Saito. Around the same time we had a member (vietnamese I think) who trained with Sekiya, but he didn't do much weapons. A lot of suwari waza and kokyu ho.

Eddy
Mr Wolput,

When I trained with MKS in the early days (when I began training regularly in Ryushinkan), I think his Yoshinkan antecedents showed very clearly. But Saito Sensei emphasized the feet and hips (the importance of hanmi) and what Sekiya called shumoku no ashi. So I think MKS adjusted his posture. There was a full length mirror in the Ryushinkan dojo (and also at his dojo at home) and we were constantly being told to check our posture.

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