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Old 05-25-2011, 08:33 PM   #26
graham christian
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Re: Mastery: The Four States in the Learning Process

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I was told there was no level 0...until the Dragon Warrior arrived that is. I suppose the final level of learning is evidenced by the additional value placement of 2^11. Yes, that makes perfect sense, now that you mention it.
Although! I asked my 11-fingered friend, and he said your computer seems to be wrong. This should be correct, according to him:
1. 0
2. 568
3. 3093
I don't put much faith in what he has to say though! He says he's 1z years old, but he acts like he's only z years old.
Mmmm. Stuck on level 2 I see.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:18 PM   #27
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Re: Mastery: The Four States in the Learning Process

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This is more aligned to my way of thinking.

Matthew, I said I have eleven so in short here they are for anyone interested.

1. Readiness. (correct intention, purpose,desire, decision)
2. Knowledge. (absorbing data, studying a body of data)
3. Understanding. (aligning data to conceptualization)
4. Practice. (applying understanding in the real world to ability gained)
5. Competence. (continued application of ability)
6. Confidence.
7. Artistry.
8. Helping. (helping or teaching, improving others)
9. Mastery. (Knowing exists here, far different to knowledge)
10. New Creation.
11. Faith. (being)

This is my learning cycle creation so I can't refer to anyone else who said this or that. For me each level or state is an expansion of the previous one. Hope you like it.

G.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:52 AM   #28
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:59 AM   #29
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:16 AM   #30
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Re: Mastery: The Four States in the Learning Process

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I ran this question through my computer and it told me there are only 3 levels of learning.

1. 00000000000
2. 01010101010
3. 111111111111

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What do computers know about learning? Come to think of it, what do computers know about anything?
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Old 05-26-2011, 06:05 PM   #31
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What do computers know about learning? Come to think of it, what do computers know about anything?
Good point. Computers are dumb, they only do what you tell them or program them to do. You can even program them to 'think'. Of course this is also only according to their programming.

Yet in the computer world it's called artificial intelligence. Emphasis placed on intelligence. So now we are to call dumness intelligent?

I could say a computer is a servo mechanism. So is a car. So is any machine.

This is why people, organizations etc. come out with such so called 'logical' rubbish for they think like machines.

Such is the mind also.

When people say nowadays students are different or times are different then they should check if they themselves are different also. If they believe computers are intelligent, that their latest gadgets are intelligent, that their own minds are intelligent, then they will see all kinds of things going wrong and just blame this that and the other and argue about it blah, blah, blah. It's called normal.

Sometimes I think the furthest a person in martial arts can see is making themselves into some kind of fighting robot.

It's a shame really.

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Old 05-26-2011, 06:30 PM   #32
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What do computers know about learning? Come to think of it, what do computers know about anything?
Tell that to HAL 9000.

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Old 06-23-2011, 05:09 AM   #33
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Re: Mastery: The Four States in the Learning Process

Here's an article which descrobes the stages of learning much better than I can.

http://www.businessballs.com/conscio...rningmodel.htm

Maybe that answers the original post?
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Old 06-23-2011, 06:07 AM   #34
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Hum...
Is it useful to know a "learning curve" model?
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Old 06-23-2011, 07:26 AM   #35
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Hum...
Is it useful to know a "learning curve" model?
During different phases of the learning curve you may need to work (focus) on different aspects of the subject. Once you know what phase you are in your way of working can be made more effective.

For Aikido I translate this into first learning the global movement (flow) of a technique, next continuously identify the biggest problem in your technique that prevents you from doing it fluently (relaxed).
During the process your attention shifts from one detail to antoher and over time you forget to think about details but just do it. This again fits in the competence model mentioned.

Useful? Depends, it could create some awareness of what you are doing...

In a real fight:
* If you make a bad decision, you die.
* If you don't decide anything, you die.
Aikido teaches you how to decide.
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Old 06-23-2011, 09:44 PM   #36
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I ran this question through my computer and it told me there are only 3 levels of learning.

1. 00000000000
2. 01010101010
3. 111111111111

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it's a good idea using binary digits
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