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Old 05-01-2011, 01:32 AM   #1
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Steven Seagal's Impact on MMA?

"And this is the kick that makes you wonder if Steven Seagal really is teaching these guys something." -- Joe Rogan

After some reflection, this was Joe Rogan's response to Lyoto Machida's crane kick-esque knockout of Randy Couture.

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Old 05-01-2011, 02:42 AM   #2
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"And this is the kick that makes you wonder if Steven Seagal really is teaching these guys something." -- Joe Rogan

After some reflection, this was Joe Rogan's response to Lyoto Machida's crane kick-esque knockout of Randy Couture.
Dear michael,
One thing is certain Mr Seagal is not acting ?as a weight loss consultant. Cheers, Joe.
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:43 AM   #3
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Old 05-01-2011, 09:17 AM   #4
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Dear michael,
One thing is certain Mr Seagal is not acting ?as a weight loss consultant. Cheers, Joe.
Maybe I can give him some advice Joe? Seems he likes the big macs a trifle too much?
I could do with seeing his hair specialist though.....
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Old 05-01-2011, 10:02 AM   #5
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Maybe I can give him some advice Joe? Seems he likes the big macs a trifle too much?
I could do with seeing his hair specialist though.....
Dear Tony,
Mr Seagal employs good cover up hairdressers , the poor people go to carpet fitters/rug doctors.Wouldnt mind a William Shatner make over toupee -you never see the joints or the nails.It would take years off me.I had hoped Tony Curtis would have left me his old piece[hair that is ] but no----
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Old 05-01-2011, 11:44 AM   #6
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Re: Steven Seagal's Impact on MMA?

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"And this is the kick that makes you wonder if Steven Seagal really is teaching these guys something." -- Joe Rogan

After some reflection, this was Joe Rogan's response to Lyoto Machida's crane kick-esque knockout of Randy Couture.
I was going to post this...he got knockout of the night; an astonishing move. He was doing the 'Seagal Hands' thing right before it, too - just like Anderson Silva did when he knocked out Vitor Belfort witth his Seagal-trained front kick...

Here's the great man himself, discussing his training of Machida:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/5/1/...dresses-haters

'His [Machida's] waza's a lot like mine...'

'Many people probably think i'm an idiot who doesn't know anything.'
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Old 05-01-2011, 01:52 PM   #7
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Dear Tony,
Mr Seagal employs good cover up hairdressers , the poor people go to carpet fitters/rug doctors.Wouldnt mind a William Shatner make over toupee -you never see the joints or the nails.It would take years off me.I had hoped Tony Curtis would have left me his old piece[hair that is ] but no----
Cheers, Joe.
Nice one Joe, I always wondered why it looked like Count Dracula on a good hair day....... I wonder how Gene Labelle is in his pink judogi?
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:07 PM   #8
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I was going to post this...he got knockout of the night; an astonishing move. He was doing the 'Seagal Hands' thing right before it, too - just like Anderson Silva did when he knocked out Vitor Belfort witth his Seagal-trained front kick...

Here's the great man himself, discussing his training of Machida:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/5/1/...dresses-haters

'His [Machida's] waza's a lot like mine...'

'Many people probably think i'm an idiot who doesn't know anything.'
I think a lot of his stuff is good, direct and to the point, I'm not so sure about the films though, maybe he should have kept out of that part? Who knows? Seems like things have settled down for him though....
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Old 05-01-2011, 07:00 PM   #9
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Re: Steven Seagal's Impact on MMA?

Seagal has a very clear understanding of what his Aikido is. He's also a great student of the martial arts. Probably makes him a great coach.

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Old 05-02-2011, 03:07 AM   #10
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Seagal has a very clear understanding of what his Aikido is. He's also a great student of the martial arts. Probably makes him a great coach.
Gene... Lebell

Need I say any more ?
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:46 AM   #11
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Gene... Lebell

Need I say any more ?
Not really.....
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:05 AM   #12
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Re: Steven Seagal's Impact on MMA?

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Gene... Lebell

Need I say any more ?
I don't get it.

Why does getting choked out by Gene Lebell irreparably damage your credibility?

Is it that easy to escape?

Could you do it?

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Old 05-02-2011, 05:14 AM   #13
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I don't get it.

Why does getting choked out by Gene Lebell irreparably damage your credibility?

Is it that easy to escape?

Could you do it?
Merely expressing that no one is unbeatable, including I....
The point being why didn't he just come clean about it, it would have won him more fans in my opinion....
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Old 05-02-2011, 05:30 AM   #14
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Re: Steven Seagal's Impact on MMA?

IMHO, letting aside the accomplishments in his cinema/singing/tv career, a lot of people came to know Aikido through this guy...
Which is (probably) a good thing at the end of the day...
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:31 AM   #15
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As much as it would be great to see an Aikikai Shihan imparting some wisdom on Team Blackhouse, it seems more like a push for publicity from both parties.

I find it hard to believe that Seagal taught Anderson Silva that front kick, and ridiculous that Machida could keep a straight face while saying that Seagal taught him the front kick he dropped Couture with considering he has been training in a Shotokan offshoot since he was 5 years old.

Could Seagal provide some coaching regarding footwork and entering? Yes. Could he try to adapt some locks/pins to work in the Octagon? Sure. Can he teach a life-long Karate practitioner a kick he had been doing for 20 years before he met Seagal? No.

I would also argue that Machida wasn't doing "Seagal Hands", rather he was doing "Silva Hands" as Anderson has been doing that for a long time.
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:40 AM   #16
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What's old is new again.

I don't find it so odd that Seagal could have things of value to say to these fighters. Both fighters respect martial arts as martial arts and see their value beyond just what works in the ring. So their going to be open to listening to him.

For Seagal's part, he's probably just pointing out things that a lot of long time MA enthusiests see and think "why wouldn't that work there" and he has the luxury of pointing it out to top caliber fighters who have the background and ability to make something of those suggestions.
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:48 AM   #17
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What's old is new again.

I don't find it so odd that Seagal could have things of value to say to these fighters. Both fighters respect martial arts as martial arts and see their value beyond just what works in the ring. So their going to be open to listening to him.

For Seagal's part, he's probably just pointing out things that a lot of long time MA enthusiests see and think "why wouldn't that work there" and he has the luxury of pointing it out to top caliber fighters who have the background and ability to make something of those suggestions.
Nothing new under the sun ........
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:51 AM   #18
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IMHO, letting aside the accomplishments in his cinema/singing/tv career, a lot of people came to know Aikido through this guy...
Which is (probably) a good thing at the end of the day...
Yes, and that is good, no one is perfect, including me....
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:02 AM   #19
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Seagal has a very clear understanding of what his Aikido is. He's also a great student of the martial arts. Probably makes him a great coach.
I would go with that Chris.... He uses his size to great effect and was quick in his youth, I dare say he has slowed a bit with the pins though,
It looks as though he has trouble with the left leg.... Maybe knee problems?
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Old 05-02-2011, 11:29 AM   #20
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What a week....

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Aikido receives credit in the Octagon.

OBL Dead.

What are all those poor wingnut websites to do now!

William Hazen

PS. There are kicks in Aikido. It's part of our Atemi Waza. Though I would not credit Lyoto Machida's front kick. If you look carefully at the fight almost all his knees kicks and punches were done with Irimi aka "counters" to Randy's Attacks. Machida would "open"... Randy would charge... and provide Machida with an Irimi/Counter opportunity.

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Old 05-02-2011, 12:46 PM   #21
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Probably another marketing manoeuver like Seagal teaching Silva for UFC 126.
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Old 05-02-2011, 01:39 PM   #22
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Probably another marketing manoeuver like Seagal teaching Silva for UFC 126.
Maybe about time.....? Or mark time...?
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:21 PM   #23
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Probably another marketing manoeuver like Seagal teaching Silva for UFC 126.
...is there anything whatsoever to support these claims?

I follow the UFC/MMA, and I never heard of any evidence of this emerging...
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:04 PM   #24
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...is there anything whatsoever to support these claims?
Steven Seagal did not, in fact, teach Anderson Silva anything and certainly not the kick which knocked out Vitor Belfort at UFC 126.

This should really have been obvious to everyone but it has taken a reporter from Brazilan outfit Portal De Vale Tudo to definitively debunk it.

"The declaration of the champion Anderson Silva (Seagal helping him with the amazing kick) was contemplated with humor by the fans, who knows that the actor was at most twice with the Brazilian," a report in the online magazine says.

"The approach between the two was actually a marketing maneuver planned by the agent of Anderson, Jorge Joinha, to give more visibility to it's champion in the American media. The plan worked very well in the first stage, the problem was in the wrong dose and reached the absurdity of assigning a brilliant victory by the biggest name in the MMA of all time to a "Master of Hollywood" who never climbed in the ring.

"The worst of all is that Segal, perhaps influenced by some of his films, believed and even stated in several interviews after the fight that "He (Anderson) did everything the way i taught him and made me very proud". For God's sake..."

So, that's cleared that up. Segal didn't teach Anderson his fight-finishing kick (which, incidentally, Anderson used on Dan Henderson and Lee Murray and also featured in an instructional he produced TWO YEARS AGO).

This seems to have escaped the notice of Mr Segal himself who has given numerous interviews detailing his "pride" in Anderson's winning technique. He is either deluded or putting in the performance of his acting career.


Source: http://www.fightersonlymagazine.co.u...le.php?id=6199

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Diante de uma vitória histórica Anderson surpreendeu a todos ao dividir os louros de sua genialidade com o ator Steven Seagall. "Foi ele que me ensinou aquele golpe", disse o brasileiro para surpresa de todos, que já o haviam visto usar este golpe em diversas outras lutas, inclusive contra Dan Henderson. A declaração do campeão foi encarada com humor pelos fãs, que sabem que o ator esteve no máximo duas vezes com o brasileiro.

A aproximação dos dois foi na realidade uma manobra de marketing engendrada pelo agente de Anderson, Jorge Joinha, para dar maior visibilidade a seu campeão na mídia americana. O plano funcionou muito bem na primeira etapa, o problema foi errar na dose e chegar ao absurdo de atribuir uma vitória genial do maior nome de MMA de todos os tempos a um "Mestre de Hollywood" que nunca subiu num ringue. O pior de tudo isso é que Seagall, talvez influenciado por alguns de seus filmes, acreditou e chegou a declarar em diversas entrevistas após a luta. "Ele fez tudo da maneira que eu ensinei e me deixou muito orgulhoso". Pelo amor de Deus...


Source: Portal do Vale Tudo Magazine #15, pp 25-26.

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Old 05-02-2011, 03:21 PM   #25
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I didn't hear machidia say SS taught him that front kick. It is obviously not so as he is a karate student and that is a technique in every form of karate I've ever seen.

What he said was that SS and his father both had been encouraging him to use that technique. So two smart martial artists both encouraging a tactic that fits Machidia's style. Makes sense to me.

I find it interesting however that SS is not in the corner during the fights. If he had that much to add, I would think he's be a corner man. However, I'm not going to argue with what top pro MMA fighters decide is a good way to spend their time. Especially when they are winning.

I'd train with SS given the chance. I think he has an insight I could benefit from.

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