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Old 03-08-2010, 02:26 PM   #76
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Re: Best karate style for aikido?

Ushiro Sensei was at the Expos and did a great job of showing how aiki karate could be.

I would suggest any style of karate that teaches you to punch realistically so we can train better.

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Old 03-08-2010, 04:12 PM   #77
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Re: Best karate style for aikido?

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Ushiro Sensei was at the Expos and did a great job of showing how aiki karate could be.

I would suggest any style of karate that teaches you to punch realistically so we can train better.
For those who can do so, Ushiro Sensei will be in the US two times this year. There are still spaces available for his seminar at my school on May 15 & 16. For more information please go to my events page on my website.

I apologize in advance for this shameless promotional post

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Old 03-08-2010, 08:32 PM   #78
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gotta admit, I was expecting to barf, but hey, that was pretty good. I'd really hate to fight that guy. I like how he applauded the student at the end when the student got something right. Not my chosen path, but dude was balanced, smooth, fast, powerfull. And some of the tai sabaki was surprisingly familiar.

Best,
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I am not into the Kyokushin family of full-contact karate styles, but I must say Ashihara demonstrations look pretty cool. Especially when Yuka Kobayashi is doing them. :-)

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Old 03-09-2010, 08:18 AM   #79
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Hey Ron,

I usually feel like throwing up too, when I see most of those kinds of vids, but this guy is impressive.

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Old 03-09-2010, 09:58 AM   #80
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Hmmm...wasn't there a style of karate that was developed by a mid-ranking dan grade aikidoka in the early 1970's in Japan? Emphasis is one avoidance ('irimi and tenkan'). What was it called...Seibukan? Tsubokan?

I believe there was also a well known aikido instructor who was a amateur boxer. Fun to watch him slip, jab and cross before throwing from that one youtube clip I saw yonks ago

There is of course Daido Juku, Yoseikan Budo etc...but those may beyond the scope of the original question

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Old 03-09-2010, 11:57 AM   #81
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I believe there was also a well known aikido instructor who was a amateur boxer. Fun to watch him slip, jab and cross before throwing from that one youtube clip I saw yonks ago
Koroiwa Sensei I believe. Unfortunately, he has passed. See Ellis Amdur's excellent tribute article on this very site.

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Old 03-09-2010, 01:39 PM   #82
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I apologize in advance for this shameless promotional post
There is no shame in providing a quality training experience.

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Old 03-10-2010, 07:54 PM   #83
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Hmmm...wasn't there a style of karate that was developed by a mid-ranking dan grade aikidoka in the early 1970's in Japan? Emphasis is one avoidance ('irimi and tenkan'). What was it called...Seibukan? Tsubokan?
Hi Bob,

Don't know about that but there is a karate school that was heavy influenced by Morihei Ueshiba in the early 1930's. The time when he was still teaching Daito-ryu aikijutsu. The founder of the school was Yasushiro Konishi and at that time he called his style Shindo Jinen-Ryu Karate-jutsu. Today, the organization he started is called Japan Karate-do Ryobu-kai.

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Old 03-24-2010, 08:19 AM   #84
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In my humble opinion I would say Goju Ryu. Obviously, I have to admit I am biased since that is what I have been training, until I relocated. It is amazing, as you put in the hours in Goju Ryu it seem to fuse with Aikido, especially the "Ju" part. All I can say it would be a wonderful compliment to Aikido. I am getting old, so moving away from "Go" and focusing on "Ju" and Aikido.

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Old 03-22-2011, 09:52 AM   #85
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Seido Juku Karate-do.

I feel like our Seido people might have an all-too common mindset of many in Aikido: Considerate, compliant, and earnest with strong emphasis in safety, but not enough focus on practical karate.

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Old 03-22-2011, 05:35 PM   #86
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I would suggest that Shotokai would be a good choice for Aikidoka. Master Harada is a wonderful example of a karate exponent/karate teacher.
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Old 03-23-2011, 12:19 AM   #87
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Why does one seek karate training if they are training in aikido?

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Old 03-24-2011, 07:12 AM   #88
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Why does one seek karate training if they are training in aikido?
To complement a serious lack of skill due to a (traditionally) flawed transmission.
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:16 AM   #89
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The in the case of the op; apparantly because he finds it rewarding enough on itīs own.

Is there some kind of rule against enjoing other activities if you train aikido?
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Old 03-24-2011, 07:40 AM   #90
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I would suggest that Shotokai would be a good choice for Aikidoka. Master Harada is a wonderful example of a karate exponent/karate teacher.
Joe.
I totally agree.

In 1963 Kenshiro Abbe Sensei invited Mitsusuke Harada Sensei to Britain. Harada Sensei was a direct student of Gichin Funakoshi Sensei....Harada Sensei was given mat space at the Hut Dojo to help him get established, I trained personally with him as there were no students in the beginning, Harada Sensei took a keen interest in Aikido, I would teach him some Aikido and he in turn would teach me Karate, he actually applied some Aikido into his Karate, developing his own style of " ShotoKai Karate "...Harada Sensei had been a bodyguard to the Emperor

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Old 04-21-2011, 02:02 AM   #91
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...Harada Sensei had been a bodyguard to the Emperor.
This is new to me

One time I watched Ueshiba Sensei's Aikido, his real result was throwing someone without touching, so I doubted it but at the same time I was surprised. When I asked Mr.Egami about this, he said what I saw was very real. So I asked Egami -- "If someone attacked me with full power and I came in at the right time with oizuki; would it possible for me to make them fall over without physically touching them?" Egami replied, that he thought it was possible and agitated me to practise and research until I could successfully achieve such a result. His words got me thinking and I remembered what in Yoshitaka's case, he did, when blackbelts attacked him. from Harada sensei's interview.

The full interview is here http://www.karatedoshotokai.com/view...ticle=6&page=1

It is interesting to know that Shigeru Egami, the late chief instructor of Shotokai Japan had also trained with Noriaki Inoue, O Sensei's nephew (Aikido's forgotten pioneer).
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Old 04-21-2011, 02:25 AM   #92
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More, the influence of aikido in Shotokai karate:

http://www.karatedoshotokai.com/view...ticle=5&page=3
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Old 04-21-2011, 05:46 AM   #93
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This is new to me

One time I watched Ueshiba Sensei's Aikido, his real result was throwing someone without touching, so I doubted it but at the same time I was surprised. When I asked Mr.Egami about this, he said what I saw was very real. So I asked Egami -- "If someone attacked me with full power and I came in at the right time with oizuki; would it possible for me to make them fall over without physically touching them?" Egami replied, that he thought it was possible and agitated me to practise and research until I could successfully achieve such a result. His words got me thinking and I remembered what in Yoshitaka's case, he did, when blackbelts attacked him. from Harada sensei's interview.

The full interview is here http://www.karatedoshotokai.com/view...ticle=6&page=1

It is interesting to know that Shigeru Egami, the late chief instructor of Shotokai Japan had also trained with Noriaki Inoue, O Sensei's nephew (Aikido's forgotten pioneer).
David

I am not sure how to add a photo here

I have added the photo of Harada Sensei riding as a bodyguard on the Japanese Emperors car..The photo can now be seen top of page at.

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Old 04-21-2011, 02:05 PM   #94
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I also feel that goju ryu would be a good alternative to as they have grappling techniques similar to aikido.
I think that aikido has elements of all martial arts as they are all fundamentally the same...
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