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Old 03-17-2011, 02:12 PM   #276
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Dear John ,
I really was quite saddened when Moss Sensei passed away.
I thought he was a really nice man and very sincere in what he was doing in Aikido.Maybe its the Glasgow in me that occasionally gets up some peoples noses. Glaswegians tend to call a spade a shovel-we are so backward about going forward.Anyway not to worry a little bit of internet blarney makes my day. Cheers, Joe.
That's true Joe, my brother in law comes from Prestwick, about 30 miles down the road from Glasgee.... He's married to my wife's elder sister....
He must be 66 now, likes rugby and played for the army in his time, did 22 years and was a warrant officer to boot.... He don't like shovels!! Were both as mad as March Hares (not bunnies )....
He'll drink me under the table anytime.... Bottomless legs is his problem, but what a lad!! Trouble is when he's had quite a bit, I've a job to understand him as he goes broad on me...
 
Old 03-17-2011, 02:32 PM   #277
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When you are done playing word games, please let me know so that we can engage in an honest discussion.

marc abrams
Who's bitching who here....

Time to get the ribbons out...... Whooooopeee!! I'll get me yard broom... Henry and Derek ( if he's reading this) can get the disco gear sorted out!! Don't forget yer braces Derek!! Henry don't forget the Jo Anna sisters.... Anyone sent an invite to tea cosy?
I'll perform Zulu warrior, matelot style while Marc & Alex..... whip round with the collection box!!
Aydilla zumbe zumba zumba.... aydilla zumba zumba zai... Hold me down you zulu warrior...... chief chief chief yeeaaah!!
What do ya reckon Joe?.....
 
Old 03-17-2011, 03:00 PM   #278
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Who's bitching who here....

Time to get the ribbons out...... Whooooopeee!! I'll get me yard broom... Henry and Derek ( if he's reading this) can get the disco gear sorted out!! Don't forget yer braces Derek!! Henry don't forget the Jo Anna sisters.... Anyone sent an invite to tea cosy?
I'll perform Zulu warrior, matelot style while Marc & Alex..... whip round with the collection box!!
Aydilla zumbe zumba zumba.... aydilla zumba zumba zai... Hold me down you zulu warrior...... chief chief chief yeeaaah!!
What do ya reckon Joe?.....
Tony

You have been warned about bringing humour / humor to the Aikiweb forum.. Tea cosy's and loving ones Joe is serious stuff here, Ribbons are also considered as dangerous weapons if one gets tangled in them whilst dancing with Jo.....

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Old 03-17-2011, 03:54 PM   #279
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Aaaawww Sensei, Just as I was having a bit of fun.....
 
Old 03-17-2011, 06:26 PM   #280
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Never..... But they have on the phone...
Strange thing is I have never seen them since
Tony

Same here

I have had hate nony mouse emails, during the ``controversy `` I even had my own dedicated hate website by one of JP's students, yet, in 55 yrs I have never had a ```visit `` or a phone call..it is so much more cosy behind the computer screen....There are some gutless warriors out there.

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Old 03-17-2011, 06:55 PM   #281
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Tony

Same here

I have had hate nony mouse emails, during the ``controversy `` I even had my own dedicated hate website by one of JP's students, yet, in 55 yrs I have never had a ```visit `` or a phone call..it is so much more cosy behind the computer screen....There are some gutless warriors out there.

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With respect Sensei, that is an insult to the word "warrior"
We should rename them gutless worriers.....

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Old 03-17-2011, 07:02 PM   #282
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With respect Sensei, that is an insult to the word "warrior"
We should rename them gutless worriers.....
Tony
""" We should rename them gutless worriers """

I humbly stand corrected.

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Old 03-17-2011, 07:31 PM   #283
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You have been warned about bringing humour / humor to the Aikiweb forum.. Tea cosy's and loving ones Joe is serious stuff here, Ribbons are also considered as dangerous weapons if one gets tangled in them whilst dancing with Jo.....

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Henry ,
I am sure Tony is becoming fond of me but I think your statement about loving ones JOE is expecting too much too soon from our internet connections.However maybe there is some hope for me?If I am not careful I may have to wear Tonys handbag/high heels and a hat saying' Kiss me quick/Hello Sailor '.Or perhaps my favourite {courtesy of Dick Emery] Oh you are awful -but I like you!!!
Cheers, Joe.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 04:39 AM   #284
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Depends on your psychological state.

"Bushido is in being crazy to die; 50 men could not defeat such a man."

Scaring someone trying to get killed is a non-starter. That person will therefore be relaxed and able to use all their training whereas the other guys are restricted to gross motor movements and thus loose their head to the crazy person.
Ok!!

How many people jumped into a karate stance when they saw the planes hit the twin towers?answer none!!!!!

They did a natural flinch response/fright reaction.It does not matter how you train,it is impossible not to do the fright reaction...it is inbuilt...hard wired.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 04:56 AM   #285
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Really? I would say that I am sorry to disagree with you on your points, but I am not sorry. Can't vouch for how you train or who you train with, but I would say that if you come to those conclusions, I certainly would not train in the arts that you mentioned. Just my 2 cents

Marc Abrams
If you did train those arts you would understand what the internal martial arts are about!

Physics and natural movement!!!!
You must build your house from the ground up....not from sky hooks!

If you walk,run, play rugby,football,tennis,OR fight..your weight is on one leg or the other...if it's on two you have STOPPED!

Physical balance is the most important attribute you can train!
This is why I think Aikido and alot of other arts are taught back to front.

If you have more balance than your opponent,he will find himself off balance...it's is just pure physics(chi,or ki)...or better still the finesse!!

Taiji and bagua have lofty names ..the supreme ultimate and the art of overkill for a very good reason.And neither train any techniques,but they don't half hit hard.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 10:06 AM   #286
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Sure, we generally want to use the larger muscle groups (e.g. legs' muscles generate more power by themselves than fingers') but both seem pertinent to "real" self defense...particularly if you consider whole-body self-defense or defense involving firearms. While they're a small part of the overall force generation, the fingers and hands can add the needed edge in real self-defense and, I presume, can convey the whole-body force sought after in internals.
I agree that the simpler techniques are generally the most effective. The fewer operations needed to displace your attacker the better...and from what I've seen casually, at least in the one-on-one setting, I think MMA shows this tendancy toward a handful of basic self-defense maneuvers which typically win. This doesn't mean the other techniques are irrelevent though.
Also, I'm no expert so I'm probably missing something key, but my impression is the internal arts would describe themselves more as whole body balance, not single-leg balance.
...Now I'm curious if that's what is meant when describing one-sided weighting?
Basically just guesses, but there's my 2 bits.
Take care,
Matt
Matt,

All human movement starts in the legs(sports,martial arts) ect.Obviously!.

Taiji term double weighted??
Double weighted is just that...a 50/50 stance.
A F..ing no no!! IF you have good single leg balance it is very difficult for someone to throw you.You are not where they thought you were.Just like lifting something,you find the balance point first.but if that balance point keeps moving it is hard to find the centre(hara,dantien).
This is what is ment by moving from your centre....NOT your waist.
And probably why many Aikidoka's move like Robby the robot.

Moving your balance point is like trying to lift a bag of water.Difficult.
As you move from one foot to the other(never ever stop moving)someone trying to throw you,push you,lock you up has got problems.because you won't stay still.

Internal arts are all based on balance and proprioception,so you learn in abstract fasion,and carry on learning.

If you need to defend yourself,you will attack the two primary pressure points,automatically without thinking.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 10:41 AM   #287
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Matt,

All human movement starts in the legs(sports,martial arts) ect.Obviously!.
Hi Mark,
I don't think this is always so obvious.

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Taiji term double weighted??
Double weighted is just that...a 50/50 stance.
A F..ing no no!!
I must have confused the two. I thought I rememebered some folks saying single-side weightedness is bad somehow, but I have no experience with taiji so there ya go.

I stand corrected on that...but still absolutely no place for fine motor skills?
Thanks for the reply.
Take care,
Matt
p.s. sorry David. I'm done with my questions.

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Old 03-18-2011, 10:41 AM   #288
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As a polite suggestion, please consider starting a new thread in "Non-aikido martial traditions" where you can pursue this discussion without further driving this dog of a thread -- which is shedding stars regularly in ratings -- further off track and through the mud.

Just a suggestion.

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Old 03-18-2011, 11:15 AM   #289
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I am sure Tony is becoming fond of me but I think your statement about loving ones JOE is expecting too much too soon from our internet connections.However maybe there is some hope for me?If I am not careful I may have to wear Tonys handbag/high heels and a hat saying' Kiss me quick/Hello Sailor '.Or perhaps my favourite {courtesy of Dick Emery] Oh you are awful -but I like you!!!
Cheers, Joe.
There is always hope for you Joe Including all the Master Class Dinosaurs that lurk for a quick meal on this forum........ I'm up for membership to that club if you would be so kind to recommend me.....
Do I have to supply my own braces? Or will you confer that great honour upon me....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJxGi8bizEg
I promise to wear my bell bottoms and cloth cap upon ceremony, I will also bear my trusty bristly yard broom so you will dub me junior dinosaur to your majesties.....
 
Old 03-18-2011, 12:25 PM   #290
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As a polite suggestion, please consider starting a new thread in "Non-aikido martial traditions" where you can pursue this discussion without further driving this dog of a thread -- which is shedding stars regularly in ratings -- further off track and through the mud.

Just a suggestion.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 12:35 PM   #291
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Ok!!

How many people jumped into a karate stance when they saw the planes hit the twin towers?answer none!!!!!

They did a natural flinch response/fright reaction.It does not matter how you train,it is impossible not to do the fright reaction...it is inbuilt...hard wired.
How many people practice mindfulness? How many people regularly meditate? A buddhist monk can set himself on fire and not flinch. "When the mind is mastered even the flames seem cool"
 
Old 03-18-2011, 12:39 PM   #292
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Alex:

When you are done playing word games, please let me know so that we can engage in an honest discussion.

marc abrams
It's not word games. From the time of Socrates it's been accepted that you can't have an honest discussion without first defining the terms to be used.
 
Old 03-18-2011, 12:40 PM   #293
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How many people practice mindfulness? How many people regularly meditate? A buddhist monk can set himself on fire and not flinch. "When the mind is mastered even the flames seem cool"
I would love to see you try that Alex.....

Tell you what I'll supply the petrol......
 
Old 03-18-2011, 01:01 PM   #294
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How many people practice mindfulness? How many people regularly meditate? A buddhist monk can set himself on fire and not flinch. "When the mind is mastered even the flames seem cool"
Yea!! I bet they only do it once though!
 
Old 03-18-2011, 01:07 PM   #295
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Sounds like it's barby time!! Who's supplying the Foster's cobbers?
 
Old 03-18-2011, 01:07 PM   #296
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Yea!! I bet they only do it once though!
I doubt they would do it the once at UK petrol prices, then again, I am sure that the price would bring a grimace to his calm expression

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I would love to see you try that Alex.....

Tell you what I'll supply the petrol......
Considering the way petrol prices are going that's quite generous!
 
Old 03-18-2011, 02:14 PM   #298
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I doubt they would do it the once at UK petrol prices, then again, I am sure that the price would bring a grimace to his calm expression

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Yes but! he may of thought it was a bit pricey for the schelloin temple!!
 
Old 03-18-2011, 02:18 PM   #299
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Considering the way petrol prices are going that's quite generous!
Are you supplying tickets to this bizarre spectacle?
I hope there will Fosters premium lager to go with the barby....
 
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Are you supplying tickets to this bizarre spectacle?
I hope there will Fosters premium lager to go with the barby....
Christopher lee is busy building the Whicker Man for added effect!
Just need a calm person to get inside!
 

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