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Old 05-19-2008, 03:14 PM   #126
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Re: Gay Aikido People? NORTHEN UK

YIKES. Must have hit a hot button. Sorry if that line offends, I certainly didn't mean any offense by it.

Let me re-phrase: I don't think that you have to march down the street carrying a sign post to stand up and oppose injustice. Most often you can do it in small, quiet, persistant ways.

Pardon any canards...

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Old 05-19-2008, 04:28 PM   #127
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Re: Gay Aikido People? Northern UK

Hi Ron
While that is true, I think at a certain point action on a national level needs to go along with personal witness. After all the years, long years, It really took Martin Luther King to Be the galvanizing voice that lead both Back and whites into the streets. It was also the burgioning of a new era with Television broadcasting all the hatred, the dogs being let loose on moms and the elderly protesters to make complacent people wake up. So it is with gay rights. People sometimes need a personal contact that speaks to them to break steriotypcial views they often were raised with. But a national voice to lead goes a long way for national change.
It is unfortunate that we often let the media now choose our leaders. Why? They make spokesman out of the most polarizing of the voices available for good sound-bites, instead of the most intelligent for thoughful discourse in the long term.
Example? The people picked Mr. King.
The media picked Al Sharpton.
We suffer for lack of leadership on many fronts; empty hope of change without real substance and a plan, or the same old plan, (lobbying, bribery and special interest) without any real hope of change.

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Old 05-19-2008, 04:30 PM   #128
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:46 PM   #129
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YIKES. Must have hit a hot button. Sorry if that line offends, I certainly didn't mean any offense by it.

Let me re-phrase: I don't think that you have to march down the street carrying a sign post to stand up and oppose injustice. Most often you can do it in small, quiet, persistant ways.

Pardon any canards...

Best,
Ron
You just lost, Ron. You meekly accepted the guilt-charge/labelling of what you said. Loser. You gotta learn to label and guilt back at 'em.

Problem is, we now have 40 years of politically-correct society where the label charges are counted as bona fide playing cards that outweigh facts.

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Old 05-19-2008, 06:12 PM   #130
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Re: Gay Aikido People? Northern UK

Being gay is like being black...... 50 years ago.
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Old 05-19-2008, 06:32 PM   #131
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No it isn't. Not in many respects. But there isn't a need to exaggerate to validate. The discrimination is true enough
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Old 05-20-2008, 08:09 AM   #132
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And in fact, no one is saying it doesn't exist. What I (at least) am saying is that just because it exists, doesn't mean that the best way to fight it is to isolate yourself in a "Gay" dojo.

Yeah, Mike. I understand sensitivity to certain phrases, but jeez, sometime just look under the hood at what someone is saying.

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Being gay is like being black...... 50 years ago
I wasn't here 50 years ago, though my relatives have given me a pretty good picture. But hey, just for the sake of conversation, 50 years ago, I could have put on a suit and tie, and not been admitted to many resturants, hotels, etc. If I'm gay and I put on a suit, not one of those establishments would turn me away. Not now, and not then either. Make of that what you will...

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Ron

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Old 10-17-2009, 06:20 PM   #133
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Re: Gay Aikido People? Northern UK

This thread is a bit old (Alex, you still around?)... but I thought i'd share this:
The Gay Games VIII are held in Köln (Cologne) in the first week of August 2010. And Aikido is featured within the discipline 'Martial Arts': http://www.games-cologne.de/en/sport...s/Martial+Arts

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Old 02-23-2010, 05:54 PM   #134
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Hi all, I would like some help please.

I would like to start a martial art for the purpose of self defence and after some research I have decided aikido is best suited to me as I am not a big strong guy. I live in the North East of England and so am looking for a club in the area.

My concern is this: I am gay and while I don't flaunt my sexuality, I do not hide it either. I don't mince around dressed all in pink being camp or anything silly like that, but if someone asks me for example if I have a girlfriend, I will tell them I am gay.

What I would like to know is:

1. Are there any all gay aikido clubs?
2. Is my sexuality a problem in learning Aikido with regards to other students?
3. Are there any local clubs where my sexuality won't be an issue?
4. Are there any openly gay Aikido people I can chat with here to find out their experiences?

Any help will be much appreciated.
Alex
Dear Alex,
I wouldnt worry overmuch about being gay .In the dojos in Durham nobody questions anybody's sexual proclivities.Just go along to a dojo and train.Why bother about an issue like this?If yoou require any info.Reply to this blog.Cheers, Joe.
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Old 03-09-2010, 05:57 AM   #135
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Re: Gay Aikido People? Northern UK

Just to add to Jacqueline's post, there is to be an Aikido seminar in Cologne during the Gay Games, in august 2010, the details of which are here: http://www.games-cologne.de/de/stati...-international

Hope to see everyone there!
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:23 AM   #136
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Details of the cologne seminar, during the Gay Games this summer, are now available here: http://www.games-cologne.de/de/stati...-international

Hope to see everyone there!
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Old 03-10-2010, 03:00 AM   #137
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Thanks, Johathan! Any info on who the 8 instructors will be? (maybe a bit too early to know?)

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Old 03-10-2010, 04:19 AM   #138
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One of them will be me...
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Old 03-10-2010, 04:47 PM   #139
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Being gay is like being black...... 50 years ago.
With all respect to the gay community, that's offensive to blacks. I can't recall the last time I saw a "No Gays, Straights ONLY" signs outside of a dinner or department store.

I agree with Ron.
That's over emphasis. You don't have to over emphasize to make a point The statement "it's bad to discriminate against gays" would have been just enough.

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Old 03-11-2010, 08:08 AM   #140
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With all respect to the gay community, that's offensive to blacks. I can't recall the last time I saw a "No Gays, Straights ONLY" signs outside of a dinner or department store.
That's because they don't need signs.

The comparison is in some ways a poor one --and in other ways an exceedingly good one. A lot of straight people think that gay people have it all hunky dory now. News flash: popular-culture idiocy like "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" does not equality make. Some fun facts about the legal status of gays in the United States:
  • Consensual sexual acts between persons of the same sex were only decriminalized in the United States in 2003.
  • Both public and private sector employment discrimination against gays is legal in most US states.
  • Housing discrimination against gays is legal in most US states.
  • Refusal of service on the basis of sexual orientation is legal in most US states. As I said, they don't need signs.
  • Marriage between same-sex couples is only legal in five US states and the District of Columbia. In 45 states, same-sex couples may not marry; furthermore, same-sex couples who are legally married in other states are unconstitutionally denied their rights under the full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution. These rights include, but are not limited to, 1138 statutory provisions "in which marital status is a factor in determining or receiving 'benefits, rights, and privileges."
In short, there is no sweeping federal legislation equivalent to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that grants civil rights to gays throughout the entire United States. What exists instead is a patchwork of partial rights under continual threat and attack. Given all that, do you really think the absence of a few signs means anything?
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:40 AM   #141
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Hi folks,

Please try to keep the thread pertinent to aikido and the original toopic. If you wish to move the topic domain outside of aikido, please do so in the Open Discussions forum.

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Old 03-11-2010, 05:38 PM   #142
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Re: Gay Aikido People? Northern UK

What a thoroughly interesting (if not marred by patches of pomposity and pedantry) thread..... I wonder also if old Alex found what he was looking for, I hope he did, If we can have marital rights for gay people then why not also have martial rights as well....?
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