Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > Weapons

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-23-2006, 07:41 AM   #1
rottunpunk
Dojo: koteikan aikido centre
Location: great britain
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 74
United Kingdom
Offline
Jo tsuki?

heyo.
we started learning part of the first jo kata in class last friday.

i have a couple of questions which i hope people may be able to help me with if thats ok.

firstly, whats its name?

and also, the main point...how do i tsuki?
my teacher was trying to show me, but he seems to thing im trying to use it as a bayonette.
i followed his moves closely, and tried to put the lifty twisty bit in at the beginning but got advised that i was lifted myelbow
i concentrate on using hara but think i might be pushing it with my arms still.

my teacher is dead good at the unarmed stuff, but doesnt seem to be able to convey stuff (though it may just be cuz im fick at the moment) i know aikijo is completely different from real jo, but any advice would be greatfuly recieved.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2006, 09:00 AM   #2
grondahl
Dojo: Stockholms Aikidoklubb
Location: Stockholm
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 550
Sweden
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Give your teacher another chance. Then practice in front of a mirror or film yourself.

Sometimes the difference between what you think your doing and what you actually are doing is huge.

Last edited by grondahl : 01-23-2006 at 09:04 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2006, 09:14 AM   #3
MikeE
 
MikeE's Avatar
Dojo: Midwest Center For Movement & Aikido Bukou Dojos
Location: Hudson, WI
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 407
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

What you call it, how many steps it has, and how you perform each movement is all dependent on your affiliation.

Mike Ellefson
Midwest Center
For Movement &
Aikido Bukou
Dojos
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2006, 10:58 AM   #4
rottunpunk
Dojo: koteikan aikido centre
Location: great britain
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 74
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

ok. cheers. ive got high ceilings at home, so ill have a do there.

we only learnt half of it so i dont know how many steps.
it went, choku? tsuki, block, repeat, hidari men strike, migi men strike, change hands to over arm grip, then 2 more men srikes. think its the second part.

i study under lancashire aikikai-traditional aikido
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2006, 11:04 AM   #5
Dazzler
Dojo: Templegate Dojo, bristol & Bristol North Aikido Dojo
Location: Bristol
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 638
England
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Sounds very much like 31 count kata.

Do a search for Iwama Ryu and you should find some useful info on this.

Alternatively ...Its almost certainly in the Aikiwiki or somewhere here on aiki web.

Cheers

D
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2006, 04:10 AM   #6
rottunpunk
Dojo: koteikan aikido centre
Location: great britain
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 74
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

thanks for info D
ill have a squiz.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2006, 06:00 AM   #7
ian
 
ian's Avatar
Dojo: University of Ulster, Coleriane
Location: Northern Ireland
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 1,654
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

I sometimes practise alternate strikes to the front a rear (tsuki) x 100 on each side. (warm up though or you'll strain your neck!) - striking both to the head and sternum.

Also, try striking a target (be careful if it is a tree, the bark can be damaged very easily; although a little damage won't kill it, if you damage the bark the whole way around it could). This feels very different and requires you to get your centre behind it and make full contact with both hands at the last moment.

Try some of that and you'll understand it. As with all training be careful not to get into too many philsophical discussions about precision and this and that and formality over which is right - what works, works, what doesn't work doesn't work. None of this is magic, people just train and reflect!

---understanding aikido is understanding the training method---
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-06-2006, 04:48 PM   #8
Lan Powers
Dojo: Aikido of Midland, Midland TX
Location: Midland Tx
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 659
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

< Also, try striking a target >

It feels very differant than just going through the motions. A valuable thing to be familiar with.
Lan

Play nice, practice hard, but remember, this is a MARTIAL art!
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2006, 07:46 AM   #9
rottunpunk
Dojo: koteikan aikido centre
Location: great britain
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 74
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

hmmn.
He tried getting me to strike his jo.
But i didnt understand what i was meant to do, and he gave up.

Ive had a couple more goes and no more comments about my tsuke. So does this mean its correct, or just hopelessly bad?
ask your sensei question i know.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2006, 08:40 AM   #10
batemanb
 
batemanb's Avatar
Dojo: Seibukan Aikido UK
Location: body in UK, heart still in Japan
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 1,029
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Hi Deborah,

I'm Lancs Aikikai too .

Does sound like the 31 count jo kata. If you look it up and also reference Saito sensei, you should find enough info. I'd recommend going back to your instructor though, he's best placed to instruct you.

Are you going to be at the Pemberton course on 26th? I'm hoping to be there with a few others from MK, maybe see you there.

rgds

Bryan

A difficult problem is easily solved by asking yourself the question, "Just how would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2006, 08:49 AM   #11
Mark Freeman
Dojo: Dartington
Location: Devon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,219
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Hi Deborah,
Quote:
i know aikijo is completely different from real jo
this does not compute for me, how so? what is real jo?

and
Quote:
lancashire aikikai-traditional aikido
is lancashire aikido different from any other county?
I ask as we are a bit slow down here in the west country

It takes a long time and a lot of practice to get anywhere near to performing good jo kata, be patient. I think some of your questions will be best answered by focussed training.

regards,
Mark

Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2006, 09:20 AM   #12
Erick Mead
 
Erick Mead's Avatar
Dojo: Big Green Drum (W. Florida Aikikai)
Location: West Florida
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,502
United_States
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Quote:
Mark Freeman wrote:
Hi Deborah,
this does not compute for me, how so? what is real jo?
REAL Jo comes steaming hot as a witch's cauldron, dark and black as the sins of thousand marauding pirates and one sip of which will wake the dead -- here and in the next county . . .

Unless -- you meant the four foot stick ?

Cordially,
Erick Mead
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2006, 09:28 AM   #13
Matt Molloy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 134
Scotland
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Quote:
Mark Freeman wrote:
this does not compute for me, how so? what is real jo?
I think that Deborah would be meaning Shinto Muso Ryu Jodo as described here on the BKA website.

http://www.kendo.org.uk/jodo.shtml



Quote:
Mark Freeman wrote:
and is lancashire aikido different from any other county?
I ask as we are a bit slow down here in the west country

Aye, in Lancashire, Aikido is known as "Ecky Thumpin" or "The way of the Trousered Ferret" and instead of handing out a black belt at shodan you're awarded the Flat Cap.

That's my bit done for the reinforcement of stereotypes.

Cheers,

Matt.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2006, 10:32 AM   #14
Mark Freeman
Dojo: Dartington
Location: Devon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,219
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Quote:
Erick Mead wrote:
REAL Jo comes steaming hot as a witch's cauldron, dark and black as the sins of thousand marauding pirates and one sip of which will wake the dead -- here and in the next county . . .

Unless -- you meant the four foot stick ?
thanks Erick


I'm always concerned though, when I realise I am supposed to be practicing something that is not 'real' so thanks for your link Matt it gave me some good info.

As for re-inforcing stereotypes, us straw chewing, pasty munching, turnip heads down ere, don't even know what a stereotype is!!

Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2006, 11:58 AM   #15
Matt Molloy
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 134
Scotland
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Quote:
Mark Freeman wrote:
I'm always concerned though, when I realise I am supposed to be practicing something that is not 'real' so thanks for your link Matt it gave me some good info.
No problem. I think it's just different ways of using the stick but that they specialize in it. Not sure of the possible similarities as I've only seen a bit of Jodo at last year's IKET. (Looked pretty good though. )

Quote:
Mark Freeman wrote:
As for re-inforcing stereotypes, us straw chewing, pasty munching, turnip heads down ere, don't even know what a stereotype is!!
Thanks. I now have visions of Wurzel Gummidge doing Aikido.

(With Shihan Crowman of course.)

Cheers,

Matt.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-08-2006, 12:19 PM   #16
Mark Freeman
Dojo: Dartington
Location: Devon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,219
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Quote:
Matt Molloy wrote:
Thanks. I now have visions of Wurzel Gummidge doing Aikido.
(With Shihan Crowman of course.)
Cheers,
Matt.
Gummidge Sensei is well known around these parts, he has his own "Rural Style", which I'm told is slow, asthetically pleasing and very ineffective!

Cheers,
Mark

Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 06:06 AM   #17
mbooth
Location: Manchester
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 2
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Hi

A bump of an old thread (came across it by way of googling).

I think the OP refers to what is called the 'First Kata', which is specific to the Lancashire Aikikai. I think it's around 20 steps.

If anyone else is reading...hope this helps
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 06:24 AM   #18
mbooth
Location: Manchester
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 2
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

I forgot to say. There are also no demonstrations of it online as far as I can find either (With it being so specific to the Lancashire Aikikai)
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 11:10 AM   #19
ChrisHein
 
ChrisHein's Avatar
Dojo: Aikido of Fresno
Location: Fresno , CA
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,637
United_States
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

What is a "squiz" and what is "fick"? Am I getting old or something...

  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 11:27 AM   #20
Linda Eskin
 
Linda Eskin's Avatar
Dojo: Aikido of San Diego, San Diego, California
Location: San Diego County, California
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 326
United_States
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

I know this is an old thread ,but since people are reading it...

In case anyone else hasn't found this yet, I stumbled upon a great description of the 20 jo suburi, right here on AikiWeb, under Articles: http://www.aikiweb.com/weapons/jo_detailed.html The instructions seem to match almost dead on with what we do in class (at least for the first 5).

Linda Eskin - Facebook | My AikiBlog

"Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." - Morihei Ueshiba
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 06:47 PM   #21
Mark Freeman
Dojo: Dartington
Location: Devon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,219
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Quote:
Chris Hein wrote: View Post
What is a "squiz" and what is "fick"? Am I getting old or something...
Hi Chris.

yes, you probably are getting old,

A 'squiz' is 'to take a look at' (not sure where that word is derived from but I have heard it used by younger folk) and 'fick' is phonetic spelling of the word 'thick' as in "as thick as two short planks" meaning "not mentally bright".

I'm surprised to see some of these old threads bubble up to the surface again

regards

Mark

Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 10:29 PM   #22
ChrisHein
 
ChrisHein's Avatar
Dojo: Aikido of Fresno
Location: Fresno , CA
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,637
United_States
Offline
Re: Jo tsuki?

Thanks Mark. I was scratching my head over those.

  Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 02:12 PM   #23
Lan Powers
Dojo: Aikido of Midland, Midland TX
Location: Midland Tx
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 659
Offline
Re: Jo tsuki?

Englich and American are not even CLOSE to the same language any longer.
Ah spik Texan Muhself....
(I relly need a spitting emotican 'round 'bout now too)

Lan

Play nice, practice hard, but remember, this is a MARTIAL art!
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 05:28 PM   #24
Mark Freeman
Dojo: Dartington
Location: Devon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,219
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Jo tsuki?

Quote:
Lan Powers wrote: View Post
Englich and American are not even CLOSE to the same language any longer.
Ah spik Texan Muhself....
(I relly need a spitting emotican 'round 'bout now too)

Lan
Two nations divided by a common language
I speak Devonish so I needs me a 'moticon chewin ayseed m'luvvers

Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 03:43 AM   #25
sunrod
Dojo: Reading Zenshin Aikido Club
Location: Reading, Berkshire
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 8
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: jo tsuki?

Quote:
Linda Eskin wrote: View Post
I know this is an old thread ,but since people are reading it...

In case anyone else hasn't found this yet, I stumbled upon a great description of the 20 jo suburi, right here on AikiWeb, under Articles: http://www.aikiweb.com/weapons/jo_detailed.html The instructions seem to match almost dead on with what we do in class (at least for the first 5).
Just to add to this...if it is a description of the 31 Jo kata you're after we have one on our site: http://www.aikido-reading.co.uk/page...no_kumi_jo.htm

J.
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bokken and Jo questions seank Weapons 19 01-13-2010 10:06 AM
Bokken and jo set from Aikiwood Jennifer Yabut Weapons 13 11-07-2009 01:46 PM
Jo tsuki Michael Cardwell Weapons 11 08-12-2007 11:32 AM
Jo shomen tsuki... is it scary? xuzen Training 7 05-04-2005 03:03 PM
Systema Seminar with Vladimir Vasiliev, Part 1 aikibaka131 Seminars 2 07-22-2003 01:45 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:15 PM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2014 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2014 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate