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Old 03-06-2009, 12:58 PM   #26
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Re: The point of Yonkyo

The point of Yonkyo? To crush the wrist and will of your attacker. lol

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Old 03-07-2009, 09:47 PM   #27
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Re: The point of yonkyo

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A tanto if you are a Lilliputian and have to hold it with both hands. Yes on the elbow == kissaki
Awfully short for a bokken (wooden sword), look more like tanto (dagger).

http://www.aikido-hessen.de/yonkyo.jpg

Anyway, this is beside the point (no pun intended). The technique is about unifying/aligning the points - the grip, the tip of the blade and the center line - to one.

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Old 03-10-2009, 07:45 AM   #28
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While I was teaching yonkyo it occurred to me that I am not sure what the basic take home message of that technique is. I do not mean how it is meant to be done correctly, I am ok teaching that in accordance with my current level of skill, but what is the important aikido principle that yonkyo illustrates, be it martial, spiritual, pedagogic, whatever?

Of course I can come up with lots of general things that can be learned or practiced while doing yonkyo, but for most other techniques I have a much clearer idea what their distinct, specific value for the general study of aikido is. Not so with yonkyo, I realised.

What are your ideas?

Thanks for suggestions!

N
You will could see, nikkio, sankio, yonkio as counter to defense against ikkio/gokyo or rokkio.

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Old 03-10-2009, 08:38 AM   #29
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You will could see, nikkio, sankio, yonkio as counter to defense against ikkio/gokyo or rokkio.
And then, somehow, I believe that's not the point...

Last night we were practicing yonkyo at my dojo. No way the pressure point will work on me, so I don't rely on it too, but (very much) preffer to apply strong kuzushi a la Iwama.
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Old 03-10-2009, 08:56 AM   #30
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And then, somehow, I believe that's not the point...

Last night we were practicing yonkyo at my dojo. No way the pressure point will work on me, so I don't rely on it too, but (very much) preffer to apply strong kuzushi a la Iwama.
Oops, I got it wrong then, I understood the question as why would one use yonkio, not does yonkio work.

If that is the case
I am not that hard but I can take yonkio pressure point with a stiff upper lip. However as it as been said earlier in the thread, I am definitely sensitive to being driven to the ground because of the shoulder-elbow-forearm action.

That being said we usually take yonkio from having applied ikkio to get the guy off balance (unless the from cause uke to go into the position like as after ikkio where you can take it directly.
I believe that it is not that dissimilar to the Iwama way so I think I see where you are coming from
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Old 03-10-2009, 09:12 AM   #31
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Last night we were practicing yonkyo at my dojo. No way the pressure point will work on me, so I don't rely on it too
Your tori lacks "teh grip ™"

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but (very much) preffer to apply strong kuzushi a la Iwama
Nothing like a whiplash to get the "point". IHTBF
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Old 09-10-2009, 07:45 PM   #32
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Re: The point of Yonkyo

unbalancing uke by inflicting force on on the gripping point. can also inflict pain to control uke. Yonkajo is a very useful and effective technique. WHen doing it correctly,u can take over uke balance, whereby take down would be easy afterward.
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Old 09-10-2009, 10:00 PM   #33
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Last night we were practicing yonkyo at my dojo. No way the pressure point will work on me, so I don't rely on it too, but (very much) preffer to apply strong kuzushi a la Iwama.
Have you ever had one of the Iwama Higher ups apply yonkyo to you? It sends electrical pulses through your body.

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Old 09-12-2009, 02:09 PM   #34
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Have you ever had one of the Iwama Higher ups apply yonkyo to you? It sends electrical pulses through your body.
Just begining to feel those pulses! I guess my tori's getting "teh grip "...!!
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