Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > Spiritual

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 09-11-2009, 09:20 AM   #26
mjhacker
 
mjhacker's Avatar
Dojo: Renshinkan
Location: Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 198
United_States
Offline
Re: Guests in the House

Quote:
Ross Robertson wrote: View Post
You might say, if I read you correctly, that power has to come first. Another might say that wisdom must precede. If I had to choose, I'd choose the latter, but I really think they best arise concurrently.
How does one develop real wisdom without developing real skill, experience, and understanding beforehand?

Michael Hacker
Jiyūshin-ryū AikiBudō - Renshinkan
http://renshindojo.com/

自由心流合気武道 - 鍛心館
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 02:01 PM   #27
mathewjgano
 
mathewjgano's Avatar
Dojo: Tsubaki Kannagara Jinja Aikidojo; Himeji Shodokan Dojo
Location: Renton
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,108
United_States
Offline
Re: Guests in the House

Quote:
Michael Hacker wrote: View Post
How does one develop real wisdom without developing real skill, experience, and understanding beforehand?
My two bits...
Before I was allowed to handle a gun my dad gave me certain understandings which contributed to my overall wisdom on how to use that gun before my skill developed. In this way I think a person can gain degrees of wisdom before skill, though not before some form of understanding. I believe an observer can gain wisdom from events they had no direct part in. I'm not saying that's usually the best way to approach it, but in some cases I can see where direct experiences aren't necessary for wisdom to develop.

Gambarimashyo!
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 02:42 PM   #28
C. David Henderson
Location: Santa Fe New Mexico
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 606
United_States
Offline
Re: Guests in the House

Quote:
Michael Hacker wrote: View Post
How does one develop real wisdom without developing real skill, experience, and understanding beforehand?
Life?
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 04:05 PM   #29
mjhacker
 
mjhacker's Avatar
Dojo: Renshinkan
Location: Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 198
United_States
Offline
Re: Guests in the House

Quote:
Matthew Gano wrote: View Post
My two bits...
Before I was allowed to handle a gun my dad gave me certain understandings which contributed to my overall wisdom on how to use that gun before my skill developed.
Information is not the same things as wisdom, though; it's only a piece of a puzzle that may never be completed.

I agree that information must first be imparted and absorbed to inform the ensuing practice. But even informed practice doesn't guarantee understanding, let alone wisdom. (I'm limiting my comments to the original word used, which was "wisdom.")

Once that information is exercised over and over through countless hours of practical experience, understanding can develop (but doesn't always). With all of that in place, wisdom might set in (but doesn't always).

Wisdom is so much more than mere knowledge; it is the ability to appropriately apply one's knowledge, information, experience, force, etc. Information can be imparted rather quickly. Wisdom takes a little longer.

Michael Hacker
Jiyūshin-ryū AikiBudō - Renshinkan
http://renshindojo.com/

自由心流合気武道 - 鍛心館
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-11-2009, 04:07 PM   #30
mjhacker
 
mjhacker's Avatar
Dojo: Renshinkan
Location: Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 198
United_States
Offline
Re: Guests in the House

Quote:
David Henderson wrote: View Post
Life?
So... development, experience, and (possible eventual) understanding? :-)

Michael Hacker
Jiyūshin-ryū AikiBudō - Renshinkan
http://renshindojo.com/

自由心流合気武道 - 鍛心館
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-12-2009, 07:55 AM   #31
C. David Henderson
Location: Santa Fe New Mexico
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 606
United_States
Offline
Re: The "Power" of Aikido

I guess if the question is the relation between "power" and "wisdom,' in the abstract; okay, sure.

If the question is the "power" one might develop through a martial arts practice, whatever "wisdom" about such matters one has from life presumably doesn't just disappear.

But if there is a wisdom to be learned through the exercise of power, is there also a wisdom that may come from facing the limits or lack of power?

Is there a wisdom to be learned from, say, watching a loved one die, knowing you can't do a damn thing about it, dreading the end, but knowing its the only victory to be had -- an end to pain.
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

Aikido DVDs and Video Downloads - by George Ledyard Sensei & other great teachers from AikidoDVDS.Com



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Transmission, Inheritance, Emulation 6 Peter Goldsbury Columns 35 03-13-2009 06:16 PM
The continued Evolution of Aikido salim General 716 12-27-2008 10:00 PM
Aikido in Amsterdam, Terry Lax style... tiyler_durden General 11 11-03-2008 08:31 AM
Women and Everybody Else in Aikido George S. Ledyard Teaching 113 03-16-2008 07:27 PM
Dilution of aikido eugene_lo General 40 02-07-2006 11:22 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:45 AM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2014 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2014 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate