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Old 06-25-2009, 12:20 PM   #26
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

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Maybe because there are more than a few people who consider themselves to be more proficient than what they really are in that dojo.

Meaning, they really thought that this guy (at 5th kyu or whatever) was ready to do the kind of ukemi that you'd expect from a shodan?
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Old 06-25-2009, 12:32 PM   #27
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

I think my teacher said when asked that question, "O'sensei said from first day on the mat to the day off the mat. But I think..."

That's all I can "quote" from memory so I'll give you the jist. Women can wear one from day 1. Men usually wait till at least yonkyu, but he prefers sankyu, but definitely by shodan. He think yudansha should wear one for many reasons (some of our judoka that also practice Aikido aren't too keen on the hakama, especially for newaza, which we do frequently because we practice Aikibudo. But we don't wear them if newaza is pre-scheduled.). One reason being, to set them apart from the beginners, so kohai know who the sempai are (for help), and another because it's part of our uniform, just as japanese terminology is part of our technical language.

Keikogi worn alone, as in Judo, by yudansha in formal practices like Aikido, Kendo, etc. is considered almost similar to a keynote speaker and the members of the head table wearing just their LongJohns or underwear to a black-tie dinner. But the keikogi does have its place, it IS part of the uniform also, just as the speaker & members of the head table would be wearing underwear under the tuxedos at that dinner.

I think beginners have enough to think about instead of focusing on how to tie it & fold it, what does it mean, how do I move in this or take a fall, etc? It's like a rite of passage, more responsiblity, and a tradition you have to uphold. Think on these things when you're kihon & ukemi don't suck.


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Old 06-28-2009, 10:22 PM   #28
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

Inocencio Maramba wrote: View Post
Are you planning to emulate Shinguji Sakura from "Sakura Taisen"?

She's a Hokushin Itto Ryu practitioner by the way
Not exactly my intent! I believe traditionally red hakama are worn by Japanese temple/shrine maidens. Honestly, I just like red

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Old 06-29-2009, 09:06 AM   #29
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

Wearing the hakama or any other dress, want help improve your abilities. Actually it may make it worse. The more important question is a person's abilities.
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Old 07-03-2009, 02:00 PM   #30
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

I've come to think of the fancy pants as a requirement, rather than a badge of honor. It is a service to maintain full dress during rigorous practice. Back in the old dayz *cough - wheeze* we just strip down to shorts and kick the crap out of one another .

I do like the aiki-outfit though. Very "dramatic play". And it gives you an excuse to chat, or to sit in meditation, while you futz around with it.
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Old 07-08-2009, 03:30 PM   #31
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

Well, as you have noticed by now... it varies.

Just the same as how the levels in Aikido, as well as the contents of the test, vary from dojo to dojo.

For our dojo it currently stands as this:

- 6 kyu ranks for adults before testing for Shodan.
A lot of places, both stateside and in western Europe have 5 kyus.

[How this actually translates for someone moving from 6 to 5 kyus is of interest, due to the extra time put in as well as the test being a bit more comprehensive as well - though I will make no assumptions.]

- Our dojo does go by the color belt system, which seems that is more commonly found in places with 6 kyu ranks. [again, this does not mean or imply the testing criteria is the same... eventually it all evens out...]

- When I first started, I believe that Hakama was permitted to be worn at 3rd kyu, however that for sure has been changed by our Technical Leader to be exclusive to 2nd kyu [blue belt] and above.

[though it is optional in our dojo for 2nd & 1st kyu to wear them...]

I would tend to agree that beginners would be better off not wearing the hakama - in seminars its a lot easier to quickly assess where someone 'should' be at this way... thus why I like colored belts.

note: yes, color belts do not necessarily mean peoples skills are on the same level - even within a dojo, but its not a bad indicator to get started.

So when you see someone with a Hakama you are pretty sure you will get someone who knows what they are doing. [people can start teaching at 2nd kyu here... while it is rare, one police officer [2nd kyu] from our dojo teaches in the neighboring city - smaller city, etc.]



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Old 07-09-2009, 03:11 PM   #32
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

In our dojos (MAAF) which is the style we like to call Sosa-ha Seidokan Aikido (I can hear the eyebrows raise from here ) we wear hakama at nikyu.

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Old 07-10-2009, 10:07 AM   #33
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

Our dojo has 6 kyus (start at 6th). It is interesting to see how some dojos do colored belts and others don't. You are either a white belt or a black belt at my dojo. It was frustrating for me at first until I figured out who was where (when it came to asking a few questions). Now I pretty much know where everyone stands. It is kind of funny when students who have been gone a while come back and they don't know me. They sit and watch me for a while to see where I am on the totem pole. It doesn't take them long to figure out that I am new though. HAHA.

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Old 07-11-2009, 02:48 AM   #34
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

When you can navigate stairs without tripping!
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