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Old 06-22-2009, 08:35 AM   #1
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About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

I assume this probably varies by dojo, but in your experiences, when was it acceptable or appropriate for a beginning Aikido practitioner to start wearing a hakama?

Most of the students in my dojo have one, and when asking I was given the response, "After you've trained for a little while" so I'm just curious what your experiences of "a little while" have been

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Old 06-22-2009, 08:49 AM   #2
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

When Sensei says you may

In your dojo, you do as the culture there permits.

Not sure what your hurry is? - the hakama adds additional complications to your training as it is much easier to get caught up in one while moving

Most schools tend to wait until shodan (first black belt) before insisting on hakama, as by then you've learned how to move well enough not to look too silly in a hakama

I personally wouldn't put a newer student in one because most of them have enough trouble learning the footwork in Aikido as it is!

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Old 06-22-2009, 08:52 AM   #3
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

I think its an organization/dojo decision. Ask your instructor for your dojos policy. And if you are visiting another dojo, its always best to talk with the instructor before hand about belt and hakama policy, and it will go over well with the instructor that you are mindful and respectful of the dojo.

USAF usually has people wear hakama when they get their shodan.
Some exceptions occur, usually for new dojos and senior students. ( I wore hakama at a seminar once at 1st kyu ) and I've hear of others wearing it for that reason as well.

But it also depends if the sensei also sells hakama as well.
I know a dojo in CO that the sensei also sells them and his students wear then much much sooner.

My personal opinion is that of wearing hakama at shodan. Just too many reasons especially if dojos are on a white/black belt only system.
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:03 AM   #4
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

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Not sure what your hurry is? - the hakama adds additional complications to your training as it is much easier to get caught up in one while moving
He may not be in a hurry, just wondering...but even so, the right people to ask are the ones at his dojo.

Hakama are expensive and a pain in the parts.
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:13 AM   #5
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

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He may not be in a hurry, just wondering...but even so, the right people to ask are the ones at his dojo.
Have to agree. No need to ask Sensei...just ask the students that have them
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:25 AM   #6
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

Sweet, thanks for the replies guys!

Yeah, not so much in a hurry was just curious I can definitely imagine how a hakama would make training at my level more difficult, haha. Only been at it for around 2 months now

Thanks again, y'all!

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Old 06-22-2009, 11:09 AM   #7
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

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Sweet, thanks for the replies guys!

Yeah, not so much in a hurry was just curious I can definitely imagine how a hakama would make training at my level more difficult, haha. Only been at it for around 2 months now
Hey, Ty, there's the another possibility that wearing a hakama could offer a different level of training for you.

You have to keep in mind, that as Ueshiba Sensei was forming his school, everyone on the mat was required to be in a hakama. The shift to people reaching shodan before wearing a hakama in his dojo was a solution that came after the war when there was a shortage of materials in Japan. With some modern schools adopting a shodans-only-in-hakama policy, consequently, what is a traditional Japanese garment has become a cloth of pride and vanity. Many points could be made on how this is not in line with the founder's teachings.

Another aspect of this is that we need not be overly concerned with training only in a specific uniform. It is the training that is ultimately important, and not whether we wear a hakama, t-shirt and shorts, or even a business suit.

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Old 06-22-2009, 12:14 PM   #8
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In the dojo where I train (U.S.A.F.) only black belts were allowed to wear hakamas until a few years ago when a group of young ladies (5kyu and 4kyu) "heard" that gis were underwear snd asked Sensei if they could wear hakamas. Sensei is very easy going and now allows women to wear hakamas at any rank.
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Old 06-22-2009, 02:22 PM   #9
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

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and a pain in the parts.
I think I can unequivically state that my Hakama has NEVER been a pain in my "parts" Thumbs (actually, those were *other* peoples hakama), toes, face (occationally, when I fell on it), but **never** my "parts"

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Old 06-22-2009, 02:36 PM   #10
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

Here in New Zealand many students wear hakama from 2nd kyu/blue belt, although in our dojo, being rooted in the UK, we wait until shodan. I have trained at clubs where all students weer hakama from day one, and frankly, it can be dangerous as it is easy for visiting yudansha to make assumptions as to their partners experience level.

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Old 06-22-2009, 07:43 PM   #11
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I have trained at clubs where all students weer hakama from day one, and frankly, it can be dangerous as it is easy for visiting yudansha to make assumptions as to their partners experience level.
Or it might be the danger is not in the hakamas, but rather in the visiting yadansha making assumptions.
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Old 06-22-2009, 09:09 PM   #12
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

In my dojo black belts wear hakamas. There are a few who aren't black belts who do wear hakamas. Sensei explained that those he knows are going to stick around to black belt (and are 1st kyu) who also have great skill and ukemi get to wear them.

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Old 06-22-2009, 11:12 PM   #13
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

We have no written policy on it as far as I can tell from our available information, but there is most definitely an unwritten 'wait until shodan'.

When the time comes I'm determined to make mine a deep red. Just because

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Old 06-23-2009, 01:39 AM   #14
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

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When the time comes I'm determined to make mine a deep red. Just because
Because you plan on becoming a shrine maiden?

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Old 06-23-2009, 10:50 AM   #15
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

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Or it might be the danger is not in the hakamas, but rather in the visiting yadansha making assumptions.
Yes that can be dangerous....its very easy for a visiting yadansha to make an assumption.
But also, as a visitor, you shouldn't be throwing that hard in a strange dojo, at least until you are known, and you know the people there....

Also, a good time to wear hakama is when you forgot your gi pants at home.
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:42 PM   #16
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When the time comes I'm determined to make mine a deep red. Just because
Are you planning to emulate Shinguji Sakura from "Sakura Taisen"?


She's a Hokushin Itto Ryu practitioner by the way

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Old 06-23-2009, 01:15 PM   #17
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Re: About when typically is it acceptable for an Aikidoka to wear a Hakama?

I would love to wear a different color besides navy or black.

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Old 06-23-2009, 02:20 PM   #18
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I'd love to train at a dojo where everybody can wear whatever color hakama they want after they've been training for two months.

Really. No, really.

(big floppy shoes optional, of course)
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:18 AM   #19
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I found an awesome pink hakama.... haha. Sensei now teases me. I got a new bokken with a saya and he asked me "What, it didn't come in pink?" :O)

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Old 06-24-2009, 04:17 PM   #20
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Be careful with that one. I know of a Shihan who went into a seminar, and called on a guy wearing a hakama to uke for him. Well the guy was like 5th or 4th kyu, and the Shihan threw him harder than he was able to handle...of course because he was only a beginner. The Shihan thought (acustomed to) that because he was wearing a hakama that he was at least shodan.
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:27 PM   #21
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I think in Hombu Dojo, at least (or any Aikikai affiliated dojo?) Woman may wear from 3rd Kyu, men from Shodan. For woman at Shodan it is required.

At my dojo men is Shodan
We haven't got any women at 3rd kyu yet so I don't know
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Old 06-25-2009, 07:06 AM   #22
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Be careful with that one. I know of a Shihan who went into a seminar, and called on a guy wearing a hakama to uke for him. Well the guy was like 5th or 4th kyu, and the Shihan threw him harder than he was able to handle...of course because he was only a beginner. The Shihan thought (acustomed to) that because he was wearing a hakama that he was at least shodan.
Yeah, that's the disadvantage with wearing something that leads people to think that you've got some level of proficiency...which, I suspect, is why so many people are intrigued with the idea of wearing one. In this story, I wonder why nobody clued this guy that wearing a hakama to a seminar wasn't a great idea.
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Old 06-25-2009, 07:16 AM   #23
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I assume this probably varies by dojo, but in your experiences, when was it acceptable or appropriate for a beginning Aikido practitioner to start wearing a hakama?

Most of the students in my dojo have one, and when asking I was given the response, "After you've trained for a little while" so I'm just curious what your experiences of "a little while" have been

Thanks in advance
Hello Ty,

In my dojo, here in Hiroshima, this is a no-brainer.

I am the shihan, the dojo-cho, and students wear the hakama when I allow them to, which is not before shodan. There are no exceptions, for either sex.

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Old 06-25-2009, 09:53 AM   #24
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Well, I go to an Aikikai dojo and we have a third kyu female and she isn't allowed to wear a hakama. We also have a second kyu male and he isn't allowed either. I only see shodans and a couple first kyus wearing them. I think each dojo has a bit of room to decide for themselves what they want.

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Yeah, that's the disadvantage with wearing something that leads people to think that you've got some level of proficiency...which, I suspect, is why so many people are intrigued with the idea of wearing one. In this story, I wonder why nobody clued this guy that wearing a hakama to a seminar wasn't a great idea.
Maybe because there are more than a few people who consider themselves to be more proficient than what they really are in that dojo.

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