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Old 04-06-2009, 12:04 PM   #1
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Weight training for Aikido

Does anyone have any ideas of good, but siimple and effective wieght training methods for Aikido?
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Old 04-06-2009, 12:33 PM   #2
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Re: Weight training for Aikido

Yes. You can do core work outs that will help in aikido. A lot of people say don't do it, but Im a gym rat anyway.

Exactly what are you wanting to gain from weight training?
Stamina, size, tone, strength?
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Old 04-06-2009, 01:16 PM   #3
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Re: Weight training for Aikido

Picking myself up off the mat a few hundred times a night seems to be all I need.

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Old 04-06-2009, 01:31 PM   #4
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Re: Weight training for Aikido

Twice a week: tree series 15x80kg, 15x90kg, 15x100kg . simple

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Old 04-06-2009, 02:44 PM   #5
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Re: Weight training for Aikido

I have briefly used isolated body-building exercises to rehabilitate muscles that were so weak they impacted my structure and movement. If you aren't very thin or underweight, I'd recommend skipping bodybuilding entirely, as it teaches your body to move using local muscle instead of whole-body connections.

I'm using olympic power-lifting to tighten up loose joints (esp. in my arms) and develop control and stability in my shoulders. In the long run, want to strengthen my skeleton, ligaments, tendons, and other fascia.

EDIT: I'd recommend staying away from body-building. Power-lifting may help strengthen your body--in a way I've found I need very much--but I have to pay attention to what it's so I don't lose mobility and freedom of movement. fwiw.

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Old 04-07-2009, 08:57 AM   #6
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Crossfit. Go there, do the dailies. It'll get you in some of the best shape of your life.
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:29 AM   #7
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+1 on CrossFit.com. If you do it you will never wonder if you are missing something.
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Old 04-07-2009, 09:43 AM   #8
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Re: Weight training for Aikido

Hello all,

Although I don't do aikido, I do study Daito-ryu and I think the body movements are similar. I've found sumo taiso and swinging a very heavy bokuto has done a great deal for my technique. You can find a link to sumo taiso here: http://www.sumo.or.jp/eng/kyokai/kenko_taiso.html
If this doesn't get what you need I would also recomend power lifting techniques although I haven't done any of that in a long time. I also haven't had any trouble with isolation exercises to strengthen certain problem areas.

Just my 2 cents,

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Old 04-07-2009, 05:07 PM   #9
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Does using your own body weight count as weight training?

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Old 04-07-2009, 05:56 PM   #10
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Don't overdo it with the weights. Aikido is about extension not contraction. If you start building muscle by lifting heavily, you lose flexibility and you will slow yourself down. I do some weight training but I keep the weight very moderate and I don't spend much time at it, just a quick, intense shot. I go to the gym more for the cardio exercise because endurance is definitely needed in Aikido!

Like someone else said previously (and as my Sensei also says in regards to "weight training" for Aikido), "Just do suburi." Lots and lots of suburi with your bokken or tanren. That builds your forearms and wrists and the more suburi you do, the more relaxed you will become in the shoulders and you build "center." It will improve your empty-hand practice and this is much better suited for progress in Aikido than freeweights.
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Old 04-07-2009, 07:01 PM   #11
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Keep the weight light like Ronnie does,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsh_JSX2pkY

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Old 04-08-2009, 12:37 PM   #12
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I have briefly used isolated body-building exercises to rehabilitate muscles that were so weak they impacted my structure and movement. If you aren't very thin or underweight, I'd recommend skipping bodybuilding entirely, as it teaches your body to move using local muscle instead of whole-body connections.
Bodybuilding is not strength training. I've seen a lot of people in dojos who I think could benefit from strength training -- a lot of injuries are caused by core weakness, leading to over-reliance on the wrong muscles and subsequent injury.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:05 PM   #13
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. You can find a link to sumo taiso here: http://www.sumo.or.jp/eng/kyokai/kenko_taiso.html
Thanks Chris! I just put that link on the NJIT Aikido Club Facebook group page, with a note pointing out who I stole it from.

(BTW, though that Facebook Group requires approval to join, the permissions are set so that anyone can see whatever we put up....and we just put up some very nice pictures from the Sunday session of last weekend's Skoss Sword Seminar. Just scroll down to the event listing on the right, click the event, and you can't miss the pictures!)

Best,

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Old 04-08-2009, 01:24 PM   #14
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Re: Weight training for Aikido

Hi Fred,

Glad you liked the link. Sumo not just for fat guys anymore! The taiso are good, but nothing beats throwing on a mawashi and going at it with another ama-rikishi.

Can you provide a link to the facebook page? I'd love to see the photos. I would have enjoyed going to the seminar, but we were doing Jikishinkage-ryu, Yagyu Shinkage-ryu and Shindo Muso-ryu at the Cherry Blossom festival in DC that weekend.

Best regards,

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Old 04-08-2009, 06:10 PM   #15
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Bodybuilding is not strength training. I've seen a lot of people in dojos who I think could benefit from strength training -- a lot of injuries are caused by core weakness, leading to over-reliance on the wrong muscles and subsequent injury.
Agreed. I'm one of those people who needs strengthening and tightening up.
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Old 04-09-2009, 03:01 AM   #16
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I'm doing both - aikido and strength training, I think you mean strength training rather than body building. It definitely worth doing as other posters have mentioned that you will be more resistant to injury. You may notice having more energy and improved posture as a result too. I haven't noticed any adverse impact on my aikido because of strength training, in fact all the results have been positive.

If your serious about strength training I'd hire a personal trainer to discuss your goals and to show you how best to achieve them. There is not much point asking for training methods on this board as the majority of people here have no experience of training in that way.
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Old 04-09-2009, 06:30 AM   #17
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If your serious about strength training I'd hire a personal trainer to discuss your goals and to show you how best to achieve them. There is not much point asking for training methods on this board as the majority of people here have no experience of training in that way.
...and even those of us who do, would probably recommend a personal trainer to get you started and teach you proper form. It's a worthwhile investment.
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Old 04-09-2009, 09:44 AM   #18
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Weight training at the gym, long distance running mixed with interval training, swimming and a good diet.

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If you're tired, keep moving.
If you value you're life, keep moving.

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Old 04-10-2009, 11:53 AM   #19
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Re: Weight training for Aikido

As a small framed woman, i do enjoy weight training as a way to improve weaknesses. Personally, I look at what i have the most trouble doing (anything related to upper body) and train in that area. I suggest you explore what you believe needs fine tuning and work from there. Although, do not neglect the rest of the body either!! I do find that upper body is the most difficult but I also train full body. In aikido, I think cardio and core strength training is the most important and valuable, regardless of size or gender or weakness. Just my two cents!!

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Old 04-18-2009, 11:47 AM   #20
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you could simply obtain bokken and jo of great weight and always work with those.

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Old 04-18-2009, 04:57 PM   #21
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Re: Weight training for Aikido

I'd say suburi with a bokuto in shikko-dachi, using a heavier suburito to practice kamae (slowly), and using a partner of similar weight lying on your hips (as in halfway through koshinage) and doing half-squats from there.

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Old 04-18-2009, 06:46 PM   #22
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ditto on Crossfit. Tom Holz also gives some good advice!

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Old 04-20-2009, 10:13 AM   #23
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Most bodybuilders do dead lifts, chin ups, dips and full ATG (ass to grass) squats. Those exercises develop core muscles. Just do these basic compound exercises for a while and make sure you have a trainer show you proper technique.
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