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Old 03-19-2009, 01:18 PM   #1301
John Longford
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

Giancario could you please explain why it is not worth you going to a seminar unless you can train with the Sensei on your tems?
There are many excellent teachers out there so if you watch and try to repeat what they show you must improve.
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:43 PM   #1302
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

Oh no, the thread's alive again.
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Old 03-19-2009, 05:10 PM   #1303
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

ahhhh....yes...my precious!

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Old 03-19-2009, 05:23 PM   #1304
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

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ahhhh....yes...my precious!

You know...all day I kept hearing this little voice: "feeeeed meee." I just thought my co-workers weren't getting enough to eat, but now I understand completely.
...And now my obligation has been paid so the voice will leave me alone.
Yes, I'm easily amused.
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Old 03-19-2009, 07:30 PM   #1305
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

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.... In the other arts with which I have been involved in since I stopped regularly teaching and training in aikido, I have been able work with master-level instructors in non-fixed-role resistance training scenarios. The fact that that this training does not exist in aikido makes it a virtually useless art for me at this point given the alternatives I have. It's not that there is nothing more to learn, but just that I don't believe that it is possible right now for me to learn much more of value without engaging in certain types of training that are mostly absent from aikido.
Then don't be involved with Aikido anymore .... period. If you're ahppy training somewhere else and don't like the way Aikidoists train or do seminars, don't go at all! There are plenty of people who do enjoy those seminars. Feel free to let them have the mat space.

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Old 03-20-2009, 07:27 AM   #1306
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Ha ha ha, what a great thread. If we are truly talking about Aikido a whole and complete art. well then id like to say to all of those MMA type graplers out there.

TAKE ONE STEP AND YOU WONT HAVE ANY HANDS TO GRAPPLE WITH.

im sorry i know its a bit out of line for a person who practices Aikido but when it comes down to my Katana vs your hands i bet my life i would win.
Do you know if it is legal for me in Indiana to carry my katana in public in a easy to draw fashion? Otherwise it doesn't do me much good against attackers.

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Old 03-20-2009, 08:10 AM   #1307
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there should be a rule against thread necromancy

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Old 03-20-2009, 08:44 AM   #1308
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there should be a rule against thread necromancy
I agree. Especially threads as pointless as this.

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Old 03-20-2009, 09:44 AM   #1309
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

I am pretty sure you don't train with katana.

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Old 03-20-2009, 10:50 AM   #1310
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I am pretty sure you don't train with katana.
Seconded

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:07 PM   #1311
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I am pretty sure you don't train with katana.
if I could wear one at all times like I do my 45, I would train with the katana. Why, because a katana is much cooler then a 45.

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:08 PM   #1312
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there should be a rule against thread necromancy
It would be much better to just open a new topic on the same subject and say all the same crap again....am I right or what?

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Old 03-20-2009, 01:46 PM   #1313
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because a katana is much cooler then a 45.
You're using it wrong

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Old 03-20-2009, 01:54 PM   #1314
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But a Katana AND a '45 ... that's COOL.
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Old 03-20-2009, 02:41 PM   #1315
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But a Katana AND a '45 ... that's COOL.
What about a katana with a 45 as a hilt?

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Old 03-20-2009, 03:38 PM   #1316
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What about a katana with a 45 as a hilt?
You're doing it right

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Old 03-20-2009, 09:22 PM   #1317
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Flame thrower; kills muggers, MMA pros and anyone else stupid enough to mess with you and keeps you warm on cold days/makes good toast, BBQs etc.
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Old 03-20-2009, 11:42 PM   #1318
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If you're hungry, keep moving.
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Old 04-04-2009, 06:16 PM   #1319
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

Since you seem to think Aikido doesn't work in a real fight, you should've been with me in Viet Nam, Desert Storm and Mogadishu, Somalia (Blackhawk Down fame).
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Old 04-05-2009, 07:10 PM   #1320
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ROFLOL.
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:50 PM   #1321
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

To Joeysola
Being with Tomiki Aikido for my entire 56 years, I can tell you we fight on the mat also. We do use shime waza (chokes), kansetsu waza (arm bars), kaeshi waza (counters), ne waza (mat pins and holds). We do chokes with just our legs---Sankaku jime for one. We also do combinations of chokes and armbars etc. I don't know who told you we don't fight on the mat but whoever that "smart" person is, you should tell him he'd better research is material.
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Old 04-15-2009, 12:03 PM   #1322
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I wonder if anyone reads the thread or just reads the first post and immediately replies. That is not an attack on you Phil, just a thought after X years and 53 pages of posts.

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Old 04-15-2009, 01:14 PM   #1323
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I wonder if anyone reads the thread or just reads the first post and immediately replies. That is not an attack on you Phil, just a thought after X years and 53 pages of posts.

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Old 04-15-2009, 04:53 PM   #1324
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My main problem with those who continually challenge any martial arts practitioner is that many of these arts have death or debilitating blows that you simply cannot apply in a sparring situation. When I studied kung fu, we practiced full force strikes on a head/torso dummy because these moves were meant to kill or horribly maim. You cannot apply these is a "friendly match" like you might with BJJ because you can grapple and take someone down with 3/4 of the technique before doing serious harm.

I do not know Aikido but from all of the demos I have seen, it's pretty clear that applying these moves in real life would render the attacker maimed (dislocation or broken arm) that would pretty much stop a fight cold unless the guy was on PCP or something.

I totally respect these demos perhaps because I have trained in other martial arts where you could certainly imagine what would happen if you applied the techniques full force.

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Old 04-16-2009, 10:50 AM   #1325
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Wow, just wow, can we please close this thread now?

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