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Old 11-24-2008, 07:58 AM   #26
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I remember the first time I participated in a demonstration. We were near the edge of the mat when the nage threw me (I think it was a shihonage). I smacked my hand hard on the concrete floor next to the edge. OUCH!
In techniques where you "spin out" around tori who stays in center, I've gotten in habit of a different slap out. I'll pull my fist up to my shoulder with my bicep like I was hitting someone's face right by my shoulder and back fist the ground like that. Even when you really "loose your feet", spin out fast, and go down near horizontal it dissipates a lot of force. I like it because it keeps your hand near your head and helps you protect it and roll if needed. But, the kicker is, you back fist the ground with your knuckles. On a mat it works great. But I fear I'm going to fall and do it on black top one day and break a knuckle. Ouch
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Old 01-05-2009, 12:25 PM   #27
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I was hoping I wouldn't have to make an update to this thread this year, but was expecting that I would probably have to.

During the week of Christmas, as we were driving to a friends' holiday party, I did something very stupid which caused me to slip on ice.

While getting gas at the gas station, I tried to step over the fuel line to get from the back of my car to the front of the car. The terrain was very icy, and as I stepped over, I completely lost traction with the other foot.

Before I knew it, I was on the ground, my hands in front of me. I came down on the flat part of my knee, right above the shin and below the kneecap. It certainly hurt like hell for a few days but no permanent injuries. I didn't even bruise all that much, oddly enough.

The more I think about it the more I think I was just lucky, but it was nice to think that maybe, just maybe, some of my training is actually sinking in. Clearly not the martial aspect, or else I'd never done something so stupid that was pretty much guaranteed to get me injured. Ah well.

Happy New Year everybody!
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Old 01-06-2009, 09:50 AM   #28
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Once, a while ago after i had been studying about 2 years, i was helping unload the groceries from the back of my mom's Dodge Durango (its a heavey car, haha) and my head is probably about 1/2 a foot from the top of the hatch, and all of a sudden my little brother pulls it down to shut it; onto my head. So i crumple to the ground the second i feel the pressure on my head and just land with perfect ukemi, leg under me, and hands spread out to my sides. And my body had done this subconsiously, haha, i just kind of reacted, and i remember looking up from the ground wondering what the heck happened
So i guess what im saying is just that if you DO fall, you arent going to know its about to happen, but i guess just the main thing is DONT freak out while your falling, its usually easier just to fall and get back up than to try and stop your fall with an extended hand and break a wrist.
And no, its not much different; but if you are worried about it, why not try practicing falling and rolling on concrete or blacktop?

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Old 01-06-2009, 10:14 AM   #29
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Yaaaaaagh!! .......Straight over someones car bonnet (from my old mountain bike) perfect roll out!! ...... wouldn't want to repeat it!!

Should have seen their faces!!

Still felt like a pratt though........

Tony
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Old 01-07-2009, 09:06 AM   #30
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Yesterday while leaving a job site my right foot slipped on the icy front porch and I fell backward, landed on my back and slapped the concrete porch with both hands. No injuries except I was holding a four foot aluminum step ladder in my right hand. iI did not let go of the ladder when I slapped the concrete and smashed my fingers in the ladder.

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Old 01-07-2009, 09:56 AM   #31
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Yesterday while leaving a job site my right foot slipped on the icy front porch and I fell backward, landed on my back and slapped the concrete porch with both hands. No injuries except I was holding a four foot aluminum step ladder in my right hand. iI did not let go of the ladder when I slapped the concrete and smashed my fingers in the ladder.

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Did ya feel a pratt though?

ha ha....... sorry just conjoured up slapstick funny in my mind......

Just brought back memories of when I used to work as an electrician....... At the top of an ally step ladder drilling a large hole with an extension masonry core drill through 2' thick wall and the bloody thing jammed and and the drill kept turning with me on the end of it ..... kote gaeshi by heavy duty power drill......!!

Step ladder went one way me the other...... wasn't injured though thankfully

Tony

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Old 01-07-2009, 10:08 AM   #32
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Yaaaaaagh!! .......Straight over someones car bonnet (from my old mountain bike) perfect roll out!! ...... wouldn't want to repeat it!!

Should have seen their faces!!

Still felt like a pratt though........

Tony
Once I was hit while riding when a car made a right turn into my path (guess it would have had to be a left in the UK....)

I flipped over the hood of the car. I remember seeing my bike going through the air and made a grab for it. Then I found myself having slid off the front of the car. Somehow I'd caught the bike.

Driver got out, and shaking, asked me if I was ok. Shaking, I said I thought so. Wasn't until about an hour later that I began to feel the bruises.

Wouldn't want to repeat that either.
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Old 01-07-2009, 01:29 PM   #33
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i had someone jump onto me from behind once, they didn't get a hold of me and i was able to roll, turn and face them... It was just a little kid acting 'hard' in front of his friend though. I was more annoyed that i broke my watch, not any watch my fake rolex one that cost me 1 dollar. Unbelievable so it was, since then i've never work a watch... that was four years ago.

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Old 01-08-2009, 09:33 PM   #34
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Have any of you guys heard of parkour? Rolling on concrete is very common, and practitioners train long to perfect their rolling.

I recently started and was shocked to see how poor my rolls really were after my five years of aikido. Mats are just way too forgiving; to really have a useful roll, I think it's essential to practice on hard surfaces.

(The commercial in that video features one of the founders of parkour, David Belle.)
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:50 AM   #35
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Did ya feel a pratt though?

ha ha....... sorry just conjoured up slapstick funny in my mind......

Tony
More like Curly of the three stooges.

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Old 01-09-2009, 09:25 AM   #36
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I do the same thing. Slows down the fall. I think it offers a realistic/tactical approach to ukemi as well. It encourages nage to have good posture too.

In Judo, I struggle with this, because holding on can be detrimental to you and give Ippon to your opponent. But that is the strategy of the judo game.

I think holding on is the way to go most of the time. Once I have a grip on you, I am taking you with me, so you better have good awareness and posture.
You ol' cheater you......

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Old 01-09-2009, 09:27 AM   #37
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More like Curly of the three stooges.

David
I AM Curly.....

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Old 01-09-2009, 09:53 AM   #38
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Have any of you guys heard of parkour? Rolling on concrete is very common, and practitioners train long to perfect their rolling.

I recently started and was shocked to see how poor my rolls really were after my five years of aikido. Mats are just way too forgiving; to really have a useful roll, I think it's essential to practice on hard surfaces.

(The commercial in that video features one of the founders of parkour, David Belle.)
When I first started my own club in 1979 ...... Tatami were just too expensive to buy and I found that I had to improve/soften my ukemi somewhat..... Hand/leg slaps definitely out of the question!!....... We did manage to find some neutral colour industrial carpet about 1/2" thick which did take out a bit of the sting, but loads of mat burns .....
Later on at my own cost that 'orrible squeaky jigsaw type stuff made out of, I think, Polystyrene type material? A bit more forgiving......
But as you say try a concrete floor for a while......
One of my tests for sankyu was to make sure that all were at least capable of performing ukemi on a hard surface....
Quite often during summer time (when dry) to get the class outside on the green is good for a reality check.....
Green dogi's........ made sure that they were laudered for next class!!

Tony
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Old 01-12-2009, 03:49 PM   #39
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Parkour is definitely very cool, and I've seen it in a couple places, like the Bond film Casiony Royale, but nothing I'd get into anytime soon. But very cool.
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Old 01-12-2009, 05:54 PM   #40
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My son loves parcour. I pointed out to him that his Judo practice was good training for parcour, it motivated him to work harder!

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Old 01-12-2009, 07:56 PM   #41
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The parkour sequence from Casino Royale. If you havne't seen the movie, it's worth a view.
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