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Old 12-23-2008, 07:18 AM   #26
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Re: All of the Techniques in Aikido?

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The pressure point in yonkajo/yonkyo doesn't work on everyone, but proper body movement and control of the center works on many more people than simply using a pressure point.

Of course, no method is infallible...

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So use every method and you won't fail.

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Old 12-23-2008, 09:02 AM   #27
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Re: All of the Techniques in Aikido?

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The pressure point in yonkajo/yonkyo doesn't work on everyone, but proper body movement and control of the center works on many more people than simply using a pressure point.

Of course, no method is infallible...

Best,
Ron
This is what I have been taught. Properly executed, yonkyo allows you to send a pulse through uke's center that you can feel and see and an opportunity to control the center.

As for sumi otoshi, I wonder whether the question concerns ai hanmi sumi otoshi, which can involve hand positioning similar to yonkyo. But I agree that the throw itself is, despite that similarity, very different, and doesn't involve (for me) the application of yonkyo as a means of control.

YMMV

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Old 12-23-2008, 09:29 AM   #28
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Re: All of the Techniques in Aikido?

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So use every method and you won't fail.
Well, that is one approach, simply combine enough of each method in what you do, and surely something will catch uke's center.

Another approach might be, tailor what you do to the specifc circumstance...that way, you waste less energy on things not relevent to the situation.

Both are good approaches...

Best,
Ron (pick your poison)

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Old 12-26-2008, 12:13 AM   #29
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Re: All of the Techniques in Aikido?

Marko,
You are not in the dojo to learn vocabulary, nor to amass the largest collection of techniques, so you can rattle them off like baseball cards. With training the techniques will come, and some of them will have names - some not. With testing, the requirements will be communicated to you in whatever terminology works in your dojo. If you think of your Aikido as being a set of individual techniques, it will not flow from you naturally.
O'sensei, when asked by outsiders, "how many techniques does Aikido have?", would sometimes answer (facetiously), "30,000". Sometimes he would answer, "One". The latter answer is probably the more accurate. Ask your sensei, and anyone else you'd care to, what "Take Musu Aiki" means to them. None of the answers will be wrong, or better than others. Then, ask yourself what it means.

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Old 12-26-2008, 02:47 AM   #30
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Re: All of the Techniques in Aikido?

Just learn perfect/flawless tenkan, irimi technique and you could build a solid curriculum around that, rounded with some nice smooth principles of leverage and center management.

Think and feel outside of the box of techniques.

Look under them. Feel what is under them

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Old 12-26-2008, 04:43 AM   #31
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So what your saying is... to learn the principles of motion.

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Old 12-26-2008, 05:08 AM   #32
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Re: All of the Techniques in Aikido?

I am saying learn the principles of Aikido and the function is another realm .... look beneath the technique

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Old 12-29-2008, 10:36 AM   #33
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Re: All of the Techniques in Aikido?

As you have no doubt noticed, different groups have various names for similar techniques. If you would like a good description of basic techniques and the more common advanced techniques, the two volume 'Best Aikido' by the current and former Doshu would be a good place to start.

As for yonkyo, I think Ron is right. I focus on proper position and extension and the movement works regardless of the nerve. Of course, my wife never misses the nerves in my arms....

Cheers,
Garth
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Old 01-05-2009, 07:21 AM   #34
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I found that a great way to be "reminded" of the great variety of techniques in aikido are the DVDs of Christian Tissier. There are 3 DVDs I recommend, "Immobilizations", "Projections" and "Aplications". Of course, to consider the full gamut of techniques you should consider weapon taking as well, but these 3 DVDs cover all basic techniques with detail and great attention.
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