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Old 10-02-2008, 09:39 AM   #51
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Re: thoughts while on line at dunkin donuts for coffee

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Yeah or start an Ai-Ki-Donut class. It begins with a circle.............
Jennifer:

I tried that idea in order to strengthening my center (or is that engorge my center?), I fell into a hole! What do I do now?

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Old 10-02-2008, 09:46 AM   #52
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Thanks
My apologies---especially if, at the late hour, I responded too harshly to your note

Alex said this: "There's a difference between thinking of attacking and realising attacking options. One contains intent the other doesn't." I was hoping to go a little deeper on this point.

In the sense of "If you're tired, sleep, and if you're hungry, eat," then, sure, "If you need to think, then think"---as long as you're consciously engaged. If that is what Alex meant by "intent," then I like it: He's consciously switched from the activity of standing in line waiting for coffee to the activity of considering attack options.

On the other hand (pun recognized but not intended ), if by "realising" (citing the word, not the spelling---I saw Great Britain's flag by his name) he means he finds himself thinking of attack options while he was previously waiting in line---an unconscious drift into thought---then I'd say the center is lost.

Not sure I made the distinction well here, but it's a start... In essence, if you're lost in thought, then you're lost in thought---whatever the flavor of the thought.

Through training, you first become very conscious and aware of the aspects of what you're training---there's thought. With more (and more and more) training, the aspects move out thought deeper into mind/body. This goes for sizing up a room too---realizing attack and defense options. Practice it enough and it becomes a subconscious activity---no thought; the options are available to you (realized) without the need to think about them.

Ugh---too many words...

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Old 10-02-2008, 10:10 AM   #53
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< Not sure I made the distinction well here, but it's a start... In essence, if you're lost in thought, then you're lost in thought---whatever the flavor of the thought >

Probably the most concise part of this whole discussion.
(or at least the section relating to actual awareness of options.)
Althouh, I too, like the dreaded doughnut.
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:13 AM   #54
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Althouh, I too, like the dreaded doughnut.
You may, of course, replace "thought" with "doughnut" and the statement retains it's truth and integrity

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Old 10-02-2008, 07:22 PM   #55
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Jennifer:

I tried that idea in order to strengthening my center (or is that engorge my center?), I fell into a hole! What do I do now?

Marc Abrams
My advice, Sutemi: Sacrifice the body to save the donut.

or Atemi: fill the hole with intention (creamed filled intention is a personal fav') .
Depending on the timing.
gambatte!

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Old 10-02-2008, 07:31 PM   #56
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My apologies---especially if, at the late hour, I responded too harshly to your note

Through training, you first become very conscious and aware of the aspects of what you're training---there's thought. With more (and more and more) training, the aspects move out thought deeper into mind/body. This goes for sizing up a room too---realizing attack and defense options. Practice it enough and it becomes a subconscious activity---no thought; the options are available to you (realized) without the need to think about them.
Yeah, me too, it's ok. An angry monkey signed into my account last night and posted under my name. Damn Monkeeeyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!

Now that it's really me: With more and more training it moves into independent experience, connected, magnetic, and creative. The future is unwritten until we write it in our hearts. No action/reaction. Simply kokyu/rokyu, shobu-aiki.

Having had occasion to experience this.

Now where's that donut y'all promised me .

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Old 10-03-2008, 08:03 AM   #57
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Now where's that donut y'all promised me .
Jennifer, how many times do I have to tell you that these donuts are exceptional martial artists? they have not only internal skills, they also have ninja skills. they have the ability to disappear before your very eyes. they are evil. they are the Weapon of Mass Distribution. Had Ueshiba or Takeda alive, they might not prevail. therefore, you must practice zanshin, mushin, and importantly donutshin when you enter such places. Heed my warning or we will miss you at practice.
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:59 AM   #58
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... therefore, you must practice zanshin, mushin, and importantly donutshin when you enter such places. ...
Aah, so desu. Dounota-shin 僮宣う心. (or shortened Doushin 僮心)


For this, one must seek exceptional mastery of its subtle and ineffable meanings -- in remote and inaccessible places:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jimbaker6/aa/aaark.htm

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Old 10-03-2008, 09:07 AM   #59
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Jennifer, how many times do I have to tell you that these donuts are exceptional martial artists? they have not only internal skills, they also have ninja skills. they have the ability to disappear before your very eyes. they are evil. they are the Weapon of Mass Distribution. Had Ueshiba or Takeda alive, they might not prevail. therefore, you must practice zanshin, mushin, and importantly donutshin when you enter such places. Heed my warning or we will miss you at practice.
"There is no donut."-said like 'there is no spoon'

" Having the mind to attack, I am already behind it (The donut)."

"Even though surrounded by the many (donuts) treat them as one."

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Old 10-03-2008, 09:09 AM   #60
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Best one yet!!!!!!!hahahahahahahaha LOL hahahahahaha

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Old 10-03-2008, 09:11 AM   #61
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Nope, If I enter a doughnut shop, I have completly lost my center. My "internal sensei" has been bound, duct-taped, and locked in a closet. Her shocked "you're not REALLY going to EAT that?" carefully deleted from the record.

For the record, Mongo is right; apple fritters rule. But one should also consider the virtues of the custard-filled, chocolate-iced variety.

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