Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > Training

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-18-2008, 02:15 PM   #1
Zach Trent
Dojo: Integral Dojo
Location: Tel Aviv
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 41
Israel
Offline
Daily Training - How important is it?

Hi there-

As a relatively new Aikidoka, I wonder how many of you are able to train everyday, and how important you feel it is to do so?

On the flip side- maybe you don't train everyday but would like to. What is holding you back? For me- we don't have classes everyday at my dojo, but I have been thinking of asking a senior student to work with me on our off days.

Just wonder what you think?

Thanks!

Zach
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2008, 02:39 PM   #2
Faith Hansen
 
Faith Hansen's Avatar
Dojo: Midwest Center for Movement
Location: Hudson, WI
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 40
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

Hi Zach-

I personally do not train everyday (especially right now cuz I have an injury). When I am not injured I train around 4 to 5 days a week. That usually makes about 10-12 hours (some of that being assisting during kids class). For me it works out great.

For you who knows? You'll have to try it to see. Going everyday will not necessarily speed up your travel along the path though. It could just burn you out. Aikido can be overwhelming when you are a beginner (at least it was for me).

Balance is the key for most things. Find a good balance between Aikido and the other aspects of your life.

Faeth
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2008, 04:09 PM   #3
Chris Covington
 
Chris Covington's Avatar
Location: Baltimore, MD
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 73
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

Hello Zach,

It depends on what you mean by training. If you mean going to the dojo and working out then no I can't because the dojo space we rent is only available to us on Friday nights and Sunday mornings. If you mean mixing in solo-training then almost everyday, yes. I do suburi and sumo shiko as well as some other exercises I've picked up directly related to budo. Everyone has different levels of need and interest in this stuff though, so what works for me might be no good for you.

I don't think training in a formal dojo every day would really help me. It would cause too many frictions in other aspects of my life (work, family, etc.). While I don't want to sound like a solo-training nut, like some people here, I do think it has it's place, and find it fits my training needs well. If I were back in university again, then I might have a different answer for you

Best regards,

Chris Covington
Daito-ryu aikijujutsu
Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-ryu kenjutsu
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2008, 04:38 PM   #4
Russ Thomas
Dojo: Shindokan
Location: Houston, TX
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 1
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

Zach,

My Sensei has made his position on this issue very clear to his students. He believes that to fully benefit from Aikido, hard daily training is required. As in most things, I tend to agree with him.

When I first began training I was lucky to be in a group that often traveled to seminars. I was also in graduate school at the time. Due to my studies, I occasionally missed a seminar. Setting aside my disappointment at missing an opportunity to train with far away friends, I was always surprised at the change in my classmate's Aikido when they returned.

Without fail, I could feel a distinct change in each person's Aikido. It was similar to the feeling you get training with someone you haven't seen for years, but on a much smaller scale. You instantly notice that their timing is better, their center is stronger, their movements more fluid, etc. At the time I wasn't able to attribute the changes in my classmates to hard, continuous training. I just thought the visiting Sensei must have been a really good teacher and I had missed out on a great trip. Now I know better.

I agree with my Sensei. The only way to get better at Aikido is to train. And if you want to realize the most benefit from Aikido, train hard, train long, and find a way to train more.

In Budo,
Russ Thomas
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2008, 05:43 PM   #5
Keith Larman
Dojo: AIA, Los Angeles, CA
Location: California
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,604
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

For me training is something that I do each and every day whether I'm in the dojo or not. Sometimes it's thinking about movement, angles, etc. of a particular technique. Sometimes it's me picking up my bokken to take a break and going into my backyard to practice kata, cuts, whatever. Or the jo. Or for us we have our aiki taiso and I'll work on those. I find I get as much if not more out of working on those things by myself quietly and with complete focus. Coordination of mind and body, focusing on my alignment, posture, and ability to deliver power. My balance. Extension. And on and on. Heck, I've been known to go through doing a technique with an imaginary uke repeatedly just to work on my understanding of my own movement, balance and range.

The point is that you don't have to be in class every day to train every day. And how much you get is to a great extent dependent on how much you choose to devote to it yourself.

  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2008, 06:50 PM   #6
Mark Uttech
Dojo: Yoshin-ji Aikido of Marshall
Location: Wisconsin
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,224
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

Training every day for a newcomer is a one-way ticket to burnout.

In gassho,

Mark

- Right combination works wonders -
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2008, 07:10 PM   #7
Don
Dojo: aikido of charlotte
Location: Charlotte
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 112
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

What do you want to get out of aikido and how fast? From a physical standpoint, its just like anything else. The more often you do it the more quickly you will improve. So, if you want to improve quickly the best approach is practice every day if you can or be an uchi deshi. For most of us who have to work for a living and don't live in a large metropolitan area where they offer classes every day, training every day is not an option. This means for most people it will take you longer to improve. For people who really like Aikido this is not a barrier, but it will discourage people who want to move fast or have ambitions of someday being an instructor.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2008, 07:41 PM   #8
Jorge Garcia
Dojo: Shudokan School of Aikido
Location: Houston
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 608
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

I have been in Aikido since 1995 and have always trained between 4 and 5 days a week. About two years ago, my teaching schedule was 5 days a week and 8 months ago, I made a big change. I upped the schedule to 7 days a week but I added black belt classes for every day and I joined them. That means that I am now able to train 7 days a week apart from my teaching. The changes have been a loss of 35 pounds at the age of 51, increased strength and flexibility and I am learning to take ukemi again and am doing breakfalls and koshinage breakfalls again. My Aikido is also changing for the better but that is for others to judge. I am having a great time and am learning more than ever. For me, it is working out fine.
Best,
Jorge Garcia

"It is the philosophy that gives meaning to the method of training."
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2008, 09:03 PM   #9
Karen Wolek
Dojo: Kingston Aikido
Location: New York
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 322
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

My dojo offers classes 6 days a week, and I take every class. Sometimes I train the 7th day (Sunday) at our sister dojo, but usually I take that day off.

For me, it's important. I'm the only one who takes every class at my dojo, so it's not for everyone.

Also, I didn't start training everyday right from the start; I worked up to it. (But honestly, it didn't take TOO long, LOL)

Everyone is different; you have to find the schedule that works for you.

Karen
"Try not. Do...or do not. There is no try." - Master Yoda
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2008, 06:42 AM   #10
Stefan Stenudd
  AikiWeb Forums Contributing Member
 
Stefan Stenudd's Avatar
Dojo: Enighet Malmo Sweden
Location: Malmo
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 538
Sweden
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

It would be nice to be able to train aikido every day, but I don't believe that it is necessary - or in any way a guarantee of optimal development. It is not a quantity thing.

I tell beginners that they should try to go to class three times a week, so that they reasonably quickly develop into an intermediary stage, where the real fun begins. I guess that's a sound number for anyone on any level.

If beginners train less than three times a week, there is a risk that they remain beginners for very long.
Advanced students, though, can continue to develop even when they can train no more than, say, once a week. As some have pointed out above: you tend to "train" and focus on aikido also outside the dojo, and that is training too - although it cannot substitute the dojo keiko.

I think we should not worry too much about quantity measures. Devotion and focus make up for lost dojo time. And we all have lives to live...

Stefan Stenudd
My aikido website: http://www.stenudd.com/aikido/
My YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/Aikidostenudd
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2008, 08:33 AM   #11
Kevin Leavitt
 
Kevin Leavitt's Avatar
Dojo: Team Combat USA
Location: Olympia, Washington
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 4,376
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

I don't think there is any one right answer to frequency, and frequency does not necessarily mean that you will grow that much more faster.

However, IF you have good instruction, and if you are spending the time doing the proper things, I think you SHOULD be training everyday.

That does not mean you go to aikido class and do waza, but maybe you work on moving, suburi basic exercises, and such...just a little everyday.

The problem you have as a beginnner is knowing what to do and how to do it correctly.

I am trying now to training daily. It is difficult as one, you have to know what you are doing and why. Two, some of the little things that matter are boring and you don't realize the importance of them. this takes a great deal of faith that what you are doing is important and worthwhile.

That is the challenge in my book.

Short of that....don't worrry about it, go to class and let your own self be your guide. If you hurt alot, then rest. If you feel like you need more...then do more.

  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2008, 10:29 AM   #12
lbb
Location: Massachusetts
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,184
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

I'd like to be able to train 4-5 days a week, but I can't do that because I'm usually away from home three days a week. There are three days that I'm home and that my dojo has classes, so that's when I train. I wouldn't want to train more than five days a week -- I think that would be unbalanced for me.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2008, 01:43 PM   #13
Zach Trent
Dojo: Integral Dojo
Location: Tel Aviv
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 41
Israel
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

Thanks everyone for sharing your experience and advice with me- actually I have had two seperate inquiries come up around solo practice (who knew?!) and weight loss through practice- I'll post those in seperate threads.

While I appreciate everyone's feed back, I really appreciated Don's question about what I want to get out of training, or maybe what level I want to attain- I think Stefan's idea about the intermediary stage is where I really want to be (though I don't want to stay there forever!). So I am glad to hear a lot of people say to stay around 3 or so days, which is what I'm doing anyway!

Also, I think that Russel's observations about seminars is very valuable for me- I have also noticed a difference in students when they return- I guess that means I should be going with them!

Thank you everyone for the advice and feedback!

Quote:
Stefan Stenudd wrote: View Post

I tell beginners that they should try to go to class three times a week, so that they reasonably quickly develop into an intermediary stage, where the real fun begins. I guess that's a sound number for anyone on any level.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2008, 07:30 AM   #14
DonMagee
Location: Indiana
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,311
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

I burn out if I train every day. Yet, I train everday. Just not martial arts. I believe that being healthy is the most important part of self defense. So I train judo twice a week, and bjj, 3 times a week, but the other 2 times a week (actually everyday I do not do martial arts) I workout. I run, or lift weights, or do yoga. I'm starting to get really big into crossfit which works out cardio and strength all at once without bulking you up.

The benefits are huge. I have more energy, I can train longer without fatigue, I can breath better, I have less injuries. All of these things will help me be a better martial artist. Plus, when all other things are equal, bigger, faster, stronger still means a lot.

So I guess i'm saying there are many ways to train, sometimes you just need to go on a hike to improve yourself.

- Don
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" - Albert Einstein
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2008, 07:24 PM   #15
Lyle Bogin
Dojo: Shin Budo Kai
Location: Manhattan
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 588
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

A smarter man than me once told me that it doesn't matter how often you train after a while, only that you never come to a complete stop.

After you master constantly training, the bigger challenge to to lay your training aside and to return to your full life.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-21-2008, 09:17 PM   #16
Bryan Sproles
Dojo: NOLA Aikido
Location: New Orleans
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 31
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

On my previous JuJitsu training, my average training was 3 days a week - I think that strikes a good balance where you're at the dojo enough to progress at a good rate.

For awhile, I was doing 5 days a week, and it was tough, but fun. I ended up taking an awkward fall one time, and couldn't roll (and therefore couldn't train) for about 2 months.

I'm just getting into the new role as an Aikidoka, having taken my 2nd class today, and I'll likely be doing it twice a week to start with (need to relearn some things and learn brand new stuff as well), and hopefully I'll get to the point where I can train "at least" 2 days a week and maybe an occasional third day here and there.

-Bryan
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 04:28 AM   #17
lifeafter2am
Dojo: Shindai Aikikai
Location: Orlando
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 153
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

I used to train two days a week and always felt like I needed more. Now I train five days a week and it feels right.

I think, as you can see from the multitude of responses, this is a very personal opinion.


"The mind is everything. What you think you become." - Siddhattha Gotama Buddha
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 03:53 PM   #18
BKeesler
Dojo: Westcoast Aikido
Location: Bradenton Fl
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 10
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

I think training 3 to 4 days a week is plenty better to offset with some physical fitness. You dont need heavy weights what I reccomend and what I do personnaly is run 4miles every day except sunday tuesday and thursday before class I would add an extra 30min on the oliptical and MWF I would lift. The lifts are as follows.
3 sets of Pull ups followed imedeatly by decline pushups both to faliure

3 sets of seated rows 10-12 reps followd imedeatly by weighted pushups to faliure remove weight and rep out.

3 Sets shoulder raises,pressess and lateral raises one right after the other again 10 reps

3sets cable curls and tricep(alternate press and extensions)super set last set

3 sets flat bench appropriate weight to failure followed by ez curls and extensions super set last set.

I do these MF

W is leg day

4 sets leg press begin 10 reps end with 8reps last set

3 sets walking lunges use weight plates or dumbells

3 sets calf raises

3 sets leg extensions

abs every other day

it soulds like a lot but really does not take long and agian no heavy weights. I like natural movements. Only one leg day because I run so much.

Hope it helps
BK
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 05:19 PM   #19
senshincenter
 
senshincenter's Avatar
Dojo: Senshin Center
Location: Dojo Address: 193 Turnpike Rd. Santa Barbara, CA.
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,471
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

Daily training, in my opinion, does not by default put you on the losing side of the quality vs. quantity debate. Quality training is key, but quality training that happens every day: priceless.

David M. Valadez
Visit our web site for articles and videos. Senshin Center - A Place for Traditional Martial Arts in Santa Barbara.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 05:35 PM   #20
lifeafter2am
Dojo: Shindai Aikikai
Location: Orlando
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 153
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

Quote:
David Valadez wrote: View Post
Daily training, in my opinion, does not by default put you on the losing side of the quality vs. quantity debate. Quality training is key, but quality training that happens every day: priceless.
For everything else, there's mastercard ....

"The mind is everything. What you think you become." - Siddhattha Gotama Buddha
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2008, 07:48 PM   #21
Karen Wolek
Dojo: Kingston Aikido
Location: New York
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 322
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

Quote:
David Valadez wrote: View Post
Daily training, in my opinion, does not by default put you on the losing side of the quality vs. quantity debate. Quality training is key, but quality training that happens every day: priceless.
Amen.

Karen
"Try not. Do...or do not. There is no try." - Master Yoda
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-27-2008, 01:28 PM   #22
bleepbeep
Dojo: kyokan dojo bacolod city/dale city aikikai, va
Location: VA
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 62
United_States
Offline
Re: Daily Training - How important is it?

I used to train everyday, three times a day. It was great. I was tired, but there was always something new to learn. I did not consider it work at all. I trained like there was no tomorrow. Everyday was always exciting and always a joy.

now, unfortunately, I can only train once or twice a week. I miss the daily training like hell.
But that's the best I can do here and now. Makes me appreciate what I used to have and what I now have as well.
Losing some training time has helped me develop more focus. Mentally, I'm still always training..but i really miss the intensity of physical practice and frequency of it all.
Sometimes I feel like I might be losing my skills or knowledge because of my training diet now...It scares me a little.

I think training is a personal responsibility and if you choose to train outside/off the mats in another way, but keeping in mind aikido prnciples, then it will have to do.

I still believe daily training helps me understand myself , my capabilities, my limitations and potentials better...GOD i miss daily practice.
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Long road vs short road to ki power (aiki, internal strength...) RonRagusa General 38 06-27-2008 03:08 AM
Poll: How important is trusting your training partner in order to have "good" ukemi during aikido training? AikiWeb System AikiWeb System 6 07-17-2007 05:37 PM
Poll: How important is working with strong-gripped, "static grabs" in your aikido training? AikiWeb System AikiWeb System 47 04-02-2007 03:38 AM
Am i missing something?? aikigirl10 General 119 04-20-2006 12:07 PM
Poll: How important is the notion of "self defense" in your aikido training? AikiWeb System AikiWeb System 19 01-13-2005 08:45 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:41 PM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2018 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2018 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate