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Old 04-25-2008, 06:41 AM   #1201
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

LEAVE BRITTANY ALONE !!!!! ...umm...I mean...
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Old 04-25-2008, 07:13 AM   #1202
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

In the worlds of the strongest KI master ever (well until his son came of age)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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Old 04-25-2008, 07:13 AM   #1203
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!

The only way you can kill it is by destroying the brain or severing the head...it just keeps coming back if you don't!!!

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Old 04-25-2008, 10:57 AM   #1204
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

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ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!

The only way you can kill it is by destroying the brain or severing the head...it just keeps coming back if you don't!!!

Severing the head, huh? Time to get the bokens out and start practicing decapitations. Remember, In The End, There Can Be Only One (Zombie Thread).
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:31 AM   #1205
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

Your opinion of the art is so far from the truth. The founder himself taught that the importance of atemi over teqnique.
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Old 04-30-2008, 11:34 AM   #1206
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Who are you responding to?

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Old 04-30-2008, 08:43 PM   #1207
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ZOMBIE THREAD!!!!

The only way you can kill it is by destroying the brain or severing the head...it just keeps coming back if you don't!!!

Why is it that Zombies Threads can't run, but they can still catch up with you?

Why are people so obsessed with these types of questions? Surgical scalpels can be great weapons, right!
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:20 PM   #1208
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

Looking back on this thread, besides being an ass, I still agree with everything I posted.

That's a first.

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Old 04-30-2008, 11:26 PM   #1209
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

Same here Don. I do wish I could go back to around 1996 and look through the archives of the old Aiki list serv and see some of the crap I posted...I bet I would not have the same opinions, beliefs, or ideas!

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Old 05-01-2008, 01:19 AM   #1210
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

There's no way i'm reading the entire thread...lol

So i'll make it brief, even though i'm probably feeding the troll.

I used to practice in "MMA" under the Ajarn Chai, Inosanto, and Suwanda lineage of martial arts. One of the instructors at my school trained in aikido as well as the UFA. He was very, very good at both. His passion was in the arts.

Long story short, i've seen him use his aikido in crazy ways on the ground. Ikkyo, sankyo, etc using silat spins. Just stuff like that.

It's all in how you train. The more you train the more you'll start to realize that.
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:13 AM   #1211
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

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There's no way i'm reading the entire thread...lol
Are you kidding? This thread has become a musha shugyo of sorts here on AikiWeb!
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:22 AM   #1212
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

Can you name the first time you posted to this thread?

Mine was post 189 back in 2004. ahh memories.

A little trivia: the thread died back in 2000. It lay dormant for about 3 years and was revived in 2003.

Can you name the poster who revived the thread in 2003 that has been going strong ever since?

We should have an award like the "Joey Sola post award"

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Old 05-01-2008, 07:54 AM   #1213
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this really makes me laugh, i.e., the guy you are talking about had to train in JKD to make his Aikido more effective

i started in Aikido to shodan, trained in Daito-Ryu & now train at a JKD Concepts school

i am almost ready to come back to Aikido

anyway, you basically prove the point that an Aikidoka who has no other martial arts background is going to have some trouble in the translation from dojo to actual combat

the length & timeframe of this thread simply demonstrates why this debate will never end

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There's no way i'm reading the entire thread...lol

So i'll make it brief, even though i'm probably feeding the troll.

I used to practice in "MMA" under the Ajarn Chai, Inosanto, and Suwanda lineage of martial arts. One of the instructors at my school trained in aikido as well as the UFA. He was very, very good at both. His passion was in the arts.

Long story short, i've seen him use his aikido in crazy ways on the ground. Ikkyo, sankyo, etc using silat spins. Just stuff like that.

It's all in how you train. The more you train the more you'll start to realize that.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:32 AM   #1214
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

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this really makes me laugh, i.e., the guy you are talking about had to train in JKD to make his Aikido more effective
Funny you should say that, because my thinking about Aikido since coming back has been informed by my experince in the JKD universe, specifically Sifu Dan's mantra of "No one art has all the answers but everything has something to offer." Aikido has something to offer. Figuring out what that is is another matter! Simple idea, but a lot of work to realize it.

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.... you basically prove the point that an Aikidoka who has no other martial arts background is going to have some trouble in the translation from dojo to actual combat ....
Maybe .... but neither of us is a Aikidoist with no other experience, so neither of us can really say one way or the other.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:01 AM   #1215
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Can you name the first time you posted to this thread?

Mine was post 189 back in 2004. ahh memories.

A little trivia: the thread died back in 2000. It lay dormant for about 3 years and was revived in 2003.

Can you name the poster who revived the thread in 2003 that has been going strong ever since?

We should have an award like the "Joey Sola post award"
So how come threads that aren't an endless infantile babble of "yes it is" "no it isn't" get stuffed for "lack of aikido content", and this foolishness is apparently enshrined for posterity?

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Old 05-01-2008, 11:10 AM   #1216
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

Heck I don't know Mary. I guess it simply seems to have "strong KI" or something.

I personally think that this thread is rich with good, honest, grass roots content!

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Old 05-01-2008, 01:01 PM   #1217
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I think there is a lot of good content in this thread, just mixed with mindless crap. If we could cut the crap, it would be a interesting read. Good points are made on both sides, then a bunch of crap is posted in the middle.

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Old 05-01-2008, 01:24 PM   #1218
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10-18-2000, 03:46 AM

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No disrespect, but why do I feel like we've had this discussion before?
Wow, deja vu all over again.

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Old 05-01-2008, 02:19 PM   #1219
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Re: Aikido does not work at all in a fight.

very true

however, all martial arts systems including Aikido are ultimately false (this idea comes from a book called "Living the Martial Way")

as to no other experience, the first martial art that i trained in was Aikido so i can unequivocally state that i did not even begin to really understand Aikido until i started training in Daito-ryu (4 years after i started Aikido); as to JKD, that taught me how to be an offensive martial artist which i would submit the majority of Aikido dojos leave out of their curriculums

anyway, i think that i am qualified to say that Aikidoists who have either trained or train in other martial arts are going to have a greater understanding of the combat-applications of dojo Aikido

that experience can include basically any other martial art but Aikido, e.g., high school wrestling, judo, boxing, Muay Thai, Silat, Kali, Karate, etc.

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Funny you should say that, because my thinking about Aikido since coming back has been informed by my experince in the JKD universe, specifically Sifu Dan's mantra of "No one art has all the answers but everything has something to offer." Aikido has something to offer. Figuring out what that is is another matter! Simple idea, but a lot of work to realize it.

Maybe .... but neither of us is a Aikidoist with no other experience, so neither of us can really say one way or the other.

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Old 05-01-2008, 05:02 PM   #1220
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Same here Don. I do wish I could go back to around 1996 and look through the archives of the old Aiki list serv and see some of the crap I posted...I bet I would not have the same opinions, beliefs, or ideas!
I sometimes go back and read my oooold posts on RMA - scary. "but how would I get to the ground in the first place, with ma'ai and zanshin..."

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Old 05-02-2008, 12:29 AM   #1221
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a heck...I can't resist....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXaR4wlGu3s

This is a trailer for the "Foot, Fist Way". It is an "R" rated trailer, so keep that in mind.

I think most of us can relate to this in someway!

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Old 05-02-2008, 02:47 AM   #1222
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a heck...I can't resist....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXaR4wlGu3s

This is a trailer for the "Foot, Fist Way". It is an "R" rated trailer, so keep that in mind.

I think most of us can relate to this in someway!
That's hilarious! Can't wait for it to come out!
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Old 05-02-2008, 05:41 AM   #1223
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CSFurious...

I never said that he had to train in JKD in order to make his aikido effective.

In fact, he started training in aikido long after he was training in JKD.

Though I definitely see where you're coming from. He already had the experience from his JKD before he started in his aikido. Maybe that was your point?
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Old 05-02-2008, 05:49 AM   #1224
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Just read your post again.

Sorry, it's sometimes hard to grasp the meaning and intention of words. Gotta love the internet.
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Old 05-02-2008, 05:55 AM   #1225
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a heck...I can't resist....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXaR4wlGu3s

This is a trailer for the "Foot, Fist Way". It is an "R" rated trailer, so keep that in mind.

I think most of us can relate to this in someway!
"I don't think you are going to like how this turns out!"

LOL I can't believe I haven't seen this before. And I thought Never back down was going to be a funny movie!

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