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Old 02-06-2008, 08:27 PM   #1
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Grr! the hakama,why cant we all get along?

i love aikido,i just wish that we could all come together and stop the insanity of training in your underwear!!!! the black belt should be enough people,it is in all the other MAs the hakama is a part of OUR AIKIDO suit so why in hells damnation can't those of us with overgrown hyperinflated selfabsorbed egos just get over it and let everyone wear the proper uniform for our training,both physically and spiritually?i say again that i love aikido i do not like at,the rudeness in our aikido family!!!!!!!

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Old 02-07-2008, 02:45 AM   #2
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Re: the hakama,why cant we all get along?

at least by restricting hakama to yudansha newbies don't have to fork out for one until they know they're serious.

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Old 02-07-2008, 03:08 AM   #3
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Re: the hakama,why cant we all get along?

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training in your underwear
  1. Internet fable #10 - A dogi is not bloody underwear, please, let's kill this one once and for all
  2. hakama's suck big time and the only reson anyone ever wants to wear it is either "it looks cool, see me flow" or "I look like I know what I'm doing and look at the respect I'm getting"
Fellow aikidoka, become free and burn your hakama with me. Let us remove the cullots which hamper our liberty and martial effectiveness and joyfully hit each other in the face, ribs and groin the way it's meant to be.
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:08 AM   #4
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Re: the hakama,why cant we all get along?

Wearing a hakama (usually in our dojo after grading 4th kyu, and at seminars after grading 2nd kyu) means you can take care of yourself during a technique. You know what is going to happen and you know how to break your falls. I am always much more careful with people without a hakama (that I don't know from the dojo's I train at) because they may not know what's coming.
Furthermore, hakama's are expensive if you are, for instance, a student on a very small income. So better make sure you are serious about aikido before buying one.
But I can also understand some of the confusion about wearing hakama's at different dojo's in different countries. Some wear them from day 1, others after 2nd kyu, some after 1st kyu, some after black belt... and my personal favorite, different rules for men and women (I really don't get that one)
I also noted some confusion about wearing a black belt after grading shodan (or higher), some do others don't and I know of 1 guy who's belt colour depends on what's in the laundry.
Anyone, any thoughts on that?

Petra

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Old 02-07-2008, 04:55 AM   #5
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Re: the hakama,why cant we all get along?

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Wearing a hakama (usually in our dojo after grading 4th kyu, and at seminars after grading 2nd kyu) means you can take care of yourself during a technique.
...
Anyone, any thoughts on that?
I always believed tori's mission was to take care of uke, regardeless of rank or clothes they're wearing.

On topic:

I think there is some people who show too much attachment to transient things like grades, hakama wearing , keikogi fabric/label/colour... however, if these things make them happier, i'm happy too.

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Old 02-07-2008, 05:33 AM   #6
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  1. Internet fable #10 - A dogi is not bloody underwear, please, let's kill this one once and for all
  2. hakama's suck big time and the only reson anyone ever wants to wear it is either "it looks cool, see me flow" or "I look like I know what I'm doing and look at the respect I'm getting"
Fellow aikidoka, become free and burn your hakama with me. Let us remove the cullots which hamper our liberty and martial effectiveness and joyfully hit each other in the face, ribs and groin the way it's meant to be.
Hear, hear!
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Old 02-07-2008, 06:33 AM   #7
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hakama's suck big time and the only reson anyone ever wants to wear it is either "it looks cool, see me flow" or "I look like I know what I'm doing and look at the respect I'm getting"
Hear, hear. I got my fill of hakama in jodo. They're a big PITA, and I'm hoping to never have to wear one in aikido.
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Old 02-07-2008, 06:56 AM   #8
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Re: the hakama,why cant we all get along?

you folks are missing the major point with the hakama. you know how we use parachute to decrease terminal velocity? same thing with the hakama. middle ranking folks (sort of like middle managers) tend to spend fair amount of time air borne and axed at the same time.
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:27 AM   #9
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Re: the hakama,why cant we all get along?

But I look soo sexy in one.
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:49 AM   #10
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I will never wear a hakama. Too much effort to wear and fold. Never going to happen.

As a side effect, if my aikido teacher ever decides to grade me (not likely as we have an verbal agreement), he can never grade me to brown belt as his rules require a hakama, and that means I could not come to class.

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Old 02-07-2008, 08:45 AM   #11
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Re: the hakama,why cant we all get along?

Fashion.

I like practicing Aikido, I'd do it in a pair of tighty-whiteys.
Who cares whether they're wearing the "fancy" pants or not?

If my technique is so smoking hot that I can't for the life of me figure out how to progress any further in that area, then, maybe I will really start to focus on improving my martial fashion sense.

However, if my Sensei were to request I wear a Hakama, I'd do it, His House, His rules.

W.

p.s. - I'm sure it happens, but, I rarely here about a similar controversy from students of other arts. I have a pal who practices Ninpo, I have never heard him say anything along the lines of: "Oh man, I can't wait till I'm allowed to wear the fancy toe seperating ninja socks (tabi)!!!!!"

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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration...

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Old 02-07-2008, 09:04 AM   #12
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Hear, hear. I got my fill of hakama in jodo. They're a big PITA, and I'm hoping to never have to wear one in aikido.
My relationship with my hakama degenerated to the point that it tried to murder me in Iaido.
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:47 PM   #13
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My relationship with my hakama degenerated to the point that it tried to murder me in Iaido.
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Old 02-07-2008, 02:49 PM   #14
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you folks are missing the major point with the hakama. you know how we use parachute to decrease terminal velocity? same thing with the hakama. middle ranking folks (sort of like middle managers) tend to spend fair amount of time air borne and axed at the same time.
Hee! Got a chuckle out uof that one. Thanks.
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Old 02-07-2008, 03:21 PM   #15
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Re: the hakama,why cant we all get along?

One of the funnest things is watching a new shodan, wearing his Hakama for the first time, starting zemp Ukemi (rolls) and discovering he has to relearn it. I still remember the shock, almost a decade after.

I have seen more Shodans tryig to wiggle out of wearing Hakama, then beginers wishin to wear one.

The only thing Hakama is good for, is Iai practice. Oh, and don't forget getting your feet and others stuck in the middle of movement\roll.

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Old 02-07-2008, 03:56 PM   #16
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you folks are missing the major point with the hakama. you know how we use parachute to decrease terminal velocity? same thing with the hakama.
I've read in another forum the tale of a guy surviving a motorbike accident because the parachute effect of his hakama... seriously, i swear.

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Old 02-07-2008, 04:53 PM   #17
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at least by restricting hakama to yudansha newbies don't have to fork out for one until they know they're serious.
Hallelujah, more money for weapons.
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Old 02-07-2008, 07:20 PM   #18
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I've read in another forum the tale of a guy surviving a motorbike accident because the parachute effect of his hakama... seriously, i swear.
But did he fly off the bike because of the same reason??

Now my hakama and me have a love hate relationship depending on the week, but it definitely gives you a new feel at times and if you actually take the time to tie it tight it feels really good and together. My dojo lets you get a hakama after you pass your first test and prove you can take ukemi well enough though so I can't comment on the big egos, but I also don't test often.
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Old 02-17-2008, 01:45 PM   #19
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i dont wear one as i am new but from my prospective, they look really cool.
however, from a practical stand point, they are completely useless.
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Old 02-17-2008, 02:14 PM   #20
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After 20 Years I still don't know how to fold one and other than perhaps learning how to someday LOL I never give my Hakama another thought.

It's just another pair of pants.

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Old 02-17-2008, 10:11 PM   #21
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After 20 Years I still don't know how to fold one
"How to fold a hakama (Japanese technique)"

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Old 02-18-2008, 02:32 AM   #22
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I don't fold it.

The time time my yudansha partners spend folding theirs I spend telling the kyudansha how much are they progressing, answering their waza related questions (if i know the answer, of course) and encouraging them to train. Then I throw the magic pants in the bag so they learn themselves how to blend with the keikogi.

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Old 02-18-2008, 02:51 AM   #23
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My hakama folds itself...

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Old 02-18-2008, 03:20 PM   #24
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[*] hakama's suck big time and the only reson anyone ever wants to wear it is either "it looks cool, see me flow" or "I look like I know what I'm doing and look at the respect I'm getting"
nuh uh! I look cool all by myself, my mom said so ! And if I burn my Hakama what excuse will I have when I trip over my own two feet?!
...er, not that this happens to me...I have this...uh...friend, though.
On a less serious note though, I do enjoy the little meditative moment at the end of each training session in which I fold my hakama.

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Old 02-18-2008, 04:19 PM   #25
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Re: the hakama,why cant we all get along?

Uniforms, traditions, customs and courtesies.

They are both good and bad.

They establish heritage, order and discipline, that is necessary for the sustainment of an organization.

At the same time, they can inhibit growth and learning, and become the central focus.

Moderation as in anything is key.

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