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Old 12-06-2007, 12:28 AM   #26
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Re: Recommended Cross Train in Aikido or BJJ?

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Thanks for the correction. I think as with any art it comes down to skill. As you said if skill level is the same or not good enough then size makes a difference. I was wondering how that transfers to self defense. The dude who started this thread is making his choice based on that. Does generic BJJ differ a lot from say BJJ tailored for self defense?
generic bjj gives very good self defence skills for one on one unarmed encounters. Which I personally think is as much as any martial art can realistically aspire to.

Not sure how BJJ tailored for self defence would look. One of the fundamental underpinings of BJJ's success is it's sport based training method. So if by "tailored for self defence" you mean removing the sporting aspects (and I have no idea if that was your meaning) then I'd say that would dilute it's effectiveness.

Not sure if that answered a question?

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Old 12-07-2007, 01:32 PM   #27
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Don't you have judo in the area?

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Old 12-07-2007, 05:11 PM   #28
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Helio Gracie put out a book about 24 months ago that is a very expensive, hardbound book that was highly promoted and touted to be the one source authority on all that is BJJ.

A good friend of mine gave me one as a gift so I was very anxious to recieve it in the mail.

It was what I expected which is 101 ways to pass the guard, or 50 ways to do a triangle choke.

It was not.

Helio points out very carefully and intentionally that BJJ is more then the sport.

The book is much of what we see in most TMAs. Knife, stick, weapon attacks. Scenarios on the street. I'd say 2/3rds of the book deals with common stand up encounters!

Many BJJ schools (most i'd say) train for sport jiu jitsu. However, in my experiences, you spend 90% of your time learning principles of center, weight distribution, balance, fulcrum, vectors etc.

Why? because that is what makes BJJ so darn effective! and why at 42 I can do it with a 20 year old and be fairly evenly matched when skill negates speed, strength, and weight!

BJJ I think puts very little emphasis on self defense because it is so principle driven.

We have a saying: Position before submission.

If you can exercise the correct principles (position) then the submissions, arm locks, and "self defense" moves...are a natural progression as the next step.

I think this is what also makes Judo so good it drives home the principle of kuzushi.

I think this is what makes aikido so good as well...it drives home the principle of kuzushi! (well properly executed aikido that is )

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Old 12-07-2007, 10:49 PM   #29
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Many BJJ schools (most i'd say) train for sport jiu jitsu. However, in my experiences, you spend 90% of your time learning principles of center, weight distribution, balance, fulcrum, vectors etc.
I am glad my Yoshinkan dojo talk very little about Ki, fairy-dust, magic pants and stuff. We usually talk about center, balance, fulcrum, vectors etc too.

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Old 12-07-2007, 11:11 PM   #30
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we don't talk...we do! talking is what aikiweb is for!

Sorry Boon, couldn't resist!

haven't had a good ki discussion lately though!

IMO, if you are practicing correctly, there is little to talk about in regards to KI, you begin to understand it as you train!

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Old 12-07-2007, 11:23 PM   #31
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IMO, if you are practicing correctly, there is little to talk about in regards to KI, you begin to understand it as you train!
OSSU!

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Old 12-08-2007, 03:10 AM   #32
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Don't know about that. Would magic pants help me pull in more chicks?
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