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Old 02-22-2007, 03:30 PM   #51
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Re: How would aikido fare in an actual fight?

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They would have liked to hear that Aikido would make them invincible, but they wouldn't have believed it in any case
If they had any sense!

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Old 02-22-2007, 03:31 PM   #52
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As far as attachment on technique goes. Yes philosophically I agree.

In reality though, there are some high percentage things we should have in our "go to" game that work most of the time.
I actually don't think these things are in conflict. Of course you will have a toolkit of favorite or "go to" techniques. Attachment starts when you will stick to those even when they clearly are the wrong thing for the situation.

A sort of ridiculously extreme example is the gun at 20 feet scenario. If you *really* believe you're going to disarm that guy, you're going to die. Better to find another tactic (like covering and running, maybe).

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This is a tricky area for sure, as you always want to allow the situation to develop based on the principles. i.e. if you are trying to beat a round peg into a squarehole by forcing something that is not apppropriate for the conditions presented...well you will lose...so attachment in this sense is bad.
My contention is that attachment will inevitably lead you to beating the round peg into the square hole.

But, as you say, this is a tricky part of training. To do it effectively (at least for kata training) you need a co-operative partner even though what you are training for is an inherently non-cooperative situation. The contradiction is not lost on me and I'm still working out the best ways to deal with this (for me).

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Old 02-22-2007, 03:36 PM   #53
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If they had any sense!
Well, as a rule, the ones without such sense dropped out of the class pretty quickly. Sometimes right after I'd accepted their challenge and flattened them.

Gotta remember: when faced with a power struggle, redirect, don't win.

Somehow not that easy when they're taking a swing at you.

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Old 02-22-2007, 05:10 PM   #54
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Re: How would aikido fare in an actual fight?

You raise a good point, and one I'll honestly admit I wasn't considering when we were initially talking about sparring and winning or losing.

Sometimes folks have to feel like they're getting the better of you -- even in non-competitive settings. Though I'm not sure if you meant it this way, I think I would disagree with you that sparring is necessarily about winning or losing and would apply the same mentality you spoke of regarding jiyu waza to that paradigm as well.

In general, and I think the thread is headed this way, my feeling is that it's good to balance appropriate mindset with the proper physical conditioning (and where the 'baseline skills' as mentioned in other threads fits in to this is something I'll admit to being very interested in exploring).

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Old 02-23-2007, 08:32 AM   #55
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Ron,
My point is that the stories are written as if they are universal. And they are not.

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Old 02-23-2007, 08:55 AM   #56
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Well of course not! case by case, as always...

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Old 02-23-2007, 09:11 AM   #57
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Re: How would aikido fare in an actual fight?

Refering to the answer given to my last post in this thread: If you count the so called "laws" you're right. Nevertheless, somone else said that he'd rather refer to the principles taught than to the techniques in a real street fighting situation and I must say: Yes, that's really true.
All together that would lead us to the following situation:
You could be attacked by let's say ten opponents. If they are proud of their laws or let's call it their own "codex" - whatever it might look like, because they aren't all the same - and you use what you've been training for at least several years to fight back - then you can win or at least survive such a fight without any bad injuries.
Unless the are being unfair and use weapons like shotguns or something like that or even just attack nearly all at the same time with deadly weapons: this would be the worst case scenario and then you could be happy only to have survived - if you then do so.

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