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Old 02-20-2007, 06:34 AM   #1
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Is this guy for real?

????

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Old 02-20-2007, 07:21 AM   #2
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Re: Is this guy for real?

Oh dear.

He pulls off a sonic boom or a hadoken in this one.

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Old 02-20-2007, 11:01 AM   #3
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Re: Is this guy for real?

The last guy who thought he could do all that stuff with his ki got his ass kicked by a jiu jitsu or MMA guy in a challenge. He tried to stop the guy with guy and got bloodied up instead.

I love the wearing the rank belt outside the hakama.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:17 AM   #4
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Re: Is this guy for real?

If his Ki was that strong why doesn't he move the objects instead of people. Objects must be easier to move, they are smaller, lighter, and do not resist.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:30 AM   #5
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If his Ki was that strong why doesn't he move the objects instead of people. Objects must be easier to move, they are smaller, lighter, and do not resist.
Exactly, the guy should be able to toss the sword toward him and it should go flying off. sacre bleu.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:39 AM   #6
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The ukes remind me of storm troopers...Hitler's and other Emperors'.

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Old 02-20-2007, 12:03 PM   #7
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Re: Is this guy for real?

Sure he's for real.

Not so much what he's doing though. That's not for real. I don't think.

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Old 02-20-2007, 12:32 PM   #8
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Give the sword to me.
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Old 02-20-2007, 04:59 PM   #9
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The ukes are doing Acadaemy Award winning acting. His acting is not so good.

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Old 02-20-2007, 10:21 PM   #10
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Re: Is this guy for real?

I really do believe that things like this are a type of hypnotism. Basically what I'm saying is that if you think it's going to work on you, that may very well be true. The power of suggestion is a very powerful thing indeed.

To speak ill of anything is against the nature of Aikido
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:35 PM   #11
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I really do believe that things like this are a type of hypnotism. Basically what I'm saying is that if you think it's going to work on you, that may very well be true. The power of suggestion is a very powerful thing indeed.
Brainwashing others is the ultimate form of power-tripping, evil, abuse, and hatred. Benevolent, temporary, hypnotism can be beneficial. The real question here is, is this guy benevolent? It's hard to tell from two brief, silent video clips, but Drew's got a bad first impression. Really bad.

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Old 02-20-2007, 10:46 PM   #12
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I never did Iaido or Kenjutsu, but I do believe the right hand, not the left, is supposed to be near the tsuba. Maybe it's different in South America, much like the toilets flush clockwise.

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Old 02-20-2007, 11:16 PM   #13
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Why is it even being discussed?

But then, this is the kind of thing that really turns people off about Aikido. It is important to debunk it. The biggest sucker is always the uke. I have been 'around' such a demo and when it was tried on me by the 'teacher' - IT-DID-NOT-WORK. But, when I tried it on others, like his uke, it worked (not as whacky a technique as the one shown above though) because as I said, the uke is just determined to throw himself. Well, at best he has hypnotised himself to let it work, at worst, he is a voluntary sucker. 99% of us will not get conned - it just takes that 1% produce the farce. If you think you can do it, try it on me.

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Old 02-21-2007, 02:47 AM   #14
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Why should it turn people off about aikido, that fellow is teaching something that he calls wabujutsu.
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Old 02-21-2007, 02:49 AM   #15
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I love the wearing the rank belt outside the hakama.
That is actually not that uncommon. Some offshots of Hakko Ryu and atleast one branch of legitimate Hontai Yoshin Ryu wears it the same way.
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:48 AM   #16
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Re: Is this guy for real?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WHdhfbmLUT8

Here is some more orthodox stuff from the same French "Shihan".

It seems he's an ex-Judoka who studied several styles of Jujutsu, but not Aikido.
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Old 02-21-2007, 05:48 AM   #17
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If his Ki was that strong why doesn't he move the objects instead of people. Objects must be easier to move, they are smaller, lighter, and do not resist.
I don't believe in these skills for a second, but most people who do, only believe their skills can work against living things.

I'd suggest they try on animals, or people who do not know they are being acted upon, as a more strict test to prevent acting/hypnotism/playing along, etc.

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Old 02-21-2007, 07:10 AM   #18
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Completely agree with Justin. Will not work on me or you. As Aikido will not work with us as nage and someone (non-aikidoka) we do not know as uke.
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Old 02-21-2007, 08:34 AM   #19
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As Aikido will not work with us as nage and someone (non-aikidoka) we do not know as uke.
You might want to change that to " As my aikido will not work with me as nage and someone (non-aikido) I do not know as uke"
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Old 02-21-2007, 11:51 AM   #20
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It seems he's an ex-Judoka who studied several styles of Jujutsu, but not Aikido.
Well, he doesn't appear to have studied them very well.

It's pretty rare for me to see someone and be able to say instantly that what he's doing is *really* bad technique.

Even now, I refuse to actually say it.

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Old 02-21-2007, 01:59 PM   #21
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I believe it O_o

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If you value you're life, keep moving.

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Old 02-21-2007, 05:08 PM   #22
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I really do believe that things like this are a type of hypnotism.
Funny you should say that. Here's a clip of a 'no touch' punch being performed for a TV show - but the guy performing it has no martial arts training whatsoever and freely admits (after the event) that he's a complete fraud. He's a (very impressive) stage hypnotist and magician, and his uke definitely seems to buy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQdJf-rTVFo
(you could skip to 1:30, there's a bit of a preamble)
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:00 AM   #23
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Will have to disagree with you Peter. What I mean is that if you had to face up with some guy on the street, surely enough you would not expect him to walk almost a full circle around you if you employed irimi nage, would you? You cannot do Aikido with someone non-aikidoka. Aikido (Harmony) can only be practised between aikidokas, that is why (always from my point of view) it appears so fluid and harmonious in the dojo. One must be making some mistake if he believes that in a real life threatening situation down that dark alley you can expect your uke to behave as your fellow uke in the dojo. Just a thought...
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Old 02-22-2007, 05:30 AM   #24
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Re: Is this guy for real?

Stelios, I think that the main difference in our perspectives is that you define doing aikido as doing extremly long kihon waza "by the book" and I define it as using the principles and body reflexes (and techniques if possible) learned in the regular practice (kihon, henka, oyo etc) in the dojo.

And btw, we donīt lead uke around in almost a full circle in iriminage. But we do train many very direct irimi-techniques (sokumen iriminage etc...).
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Old 02-23-2007, 12:52 AM   #25
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By the book? Not at all.
I believe aikido needs at least two (or even one) who know aikido. Yes, you can use the learned techniques on the street very efficiently against the brutal force of almost anybody but do not tell me thet you will expect your street uke to employ ukemi or similar body movements when fending off your defence or counter attack.
Anyway, it is always nice to see other approaches to the same matter. Thanks for your opinion mate.
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