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Old 07-06-2002, 11:23 PM   #1
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Styles of Jo

I just had my first Jo class today. Very interesting and quite different from my experiences with the bo. Are the Jo techniques from any particular style of Jo? If not, are they similar to any particular style? Thanks.

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Old 07-07-2002, 06:41 AM   #2
Dojo: Korea Aikikai Honbu Dojo
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Jo training varies from senseis to senseis. Many teachers adopt Saito sensei's Jo katas, however some other senseis teach his/her unique katas.

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Old 07-07-2002, 07:52 PM   #3
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I was in the humor section and I looked at one of the post about one person messing up on jo kata and I said to myself, "I haven't done much jo work" then I get here and Style of jo first thread! wow speak of the devil!

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Old 07-08-2002, 10:56 PM   #4
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The origin of the jo is credited to Muso Gonnosuke Katsuyoshi. You can read a brief history here (or do a search for him on the web to find more of the same).


A number of sites (including the one above)maintain that there is still only one style of jojutsu taught today, and that is Shindo Muso Ryu. I don`t have any knowledge regarding O Sensei`s Jo and / or Saito Sensei`s Jo, to be able to comment on whether they are the same or derived from Shindo Muso Ryu.

I only know that when I took a couple of Jo lessons at the Seibukan in Kobe a couple of years back, they taught Shindo Muso ryu, see here for more info.


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Old 07-08-2002, 11:11 PM   #5
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Originally posted by batemanb
I don`t have any knowledge regarding O Sensei`s Jo and / or Saito Sensei`s Jo, to be able to comment on whether they are the same or derived from Shindo Muso Ryu.
Personally, I don't think Saito sensei's jo has much, if any, grounding in Shindo Muso Ryu jodo. As Stan Pranin said in his interview, the founder really didn't have a whole lot of weapons experience outside of juken (bayonet) in the military.

From my (limited) experience, too, they're quite different. Shindo Musu Ryu jodo, inasmuch as I've experienced it (very little), in its kihon has things different from Saito sensei's aikijo. For example, the basic kamae after strike has the hips square; the hand slides along the length of the jo during a shomenuchi; and, the general "demeanor" taken by the person with a jo is quite aggressive.

I believe Shoji Nishio sensei has some experience in jodo.

Anyone here with more experience with Saito sensei's aikijo and Shindo Muso Ryu jodo?

-- Jun

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Old 07-09-2002, 12:47 AM   #6
Tony Peters
Dojo: Mt Tantalus, Kaimuki Judo club
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Is that an invitation???

I've trained in Saito Sensei's jo/ken style for a year and have for the past 3 years trained when I could (work makes me travel... a lot) in SMR Jodo. They are nothing alike. It was my love of the Jo that lead me away from Aikido and into SMR. Without seeming arrogant I'll try to explain the basic difference. The Aikiweapon techniques are for the most part based on the Taijutsu (hand arts) of aikido. SMR Jodo on the other hand is more closely based on the sword...at least thats how I see it at this point however I am a long long way from becoming anything other than a student of SMR. As Jun said Jodo is much more aggressive. And as he said the jo slides in the hands for the strikes and the tsuki are very very different. The over all feel is different and there is a world of difference between hamni and kamae.

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Old 07-15-2002, 03:30 PM   #7
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Does anyone know where to find a good description and/or drawings of the 22 Jo kata movements ?

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Old 07-15-2002, 04:09 PM   #8
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Jo kata

hey. a good book in general for the technical side of aikido is 'aikido and the dyanmic sphere' this has very good illustrations for most of the basic techniquis, and good descriptions. the 22 jo kata thing is ok, but if you have been shown by your sensei, it will make a lot more sense.
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Old 07-15-2002, 04:37 PM   #9
Greg Jennings
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akiy wrote:
Anyone here with more experience with Saito sensei's aikijo and Shindo Muso Ryu jodo?
Hi Jun,

I don't have a lot of experience with SMR, but I've done Saito Sensei's aiki jo for years. I've also spoken with active SMR practicioners about the subject and done other, rather extensive, research.

My take is that SMR and aiki-jo have nothing in common that isn't conincidental from there only being so many ways a body and/or jo will move.

Some of the aiki jo movements seem like jukendo while others are quite obviously analogs of similar aiki ken movements.

The jukendo-ish movements might have been influenced by the bayonet drill the Founder learned during his time in the military. The Japanese bayonet drill of that period has its roots in the French military. The Japanese military adapted it, however, based on their unique experiences.

The aiki ken-ish movements probably derive from the Founder's study of the Kashima Shinto Ryu sword during the Iwama period.

Other than that, no one really knows for sure where aiki jo came from. What we do know is that the Founder was a master of "stealing" technique and that all his aikido was expressed in a highly personal way.

One little thing: I take some issue with the statements about the relative lack of aggression in aiki jo. I think that's up to each individual's practice. It may be that most out there practice aiki jo in a more passive way. That's not my way, however. I do my absolute best to dictate (in my taijutsu also). I practice sen-sen-no-sen mostly, but if I do go-no-sen, it's because that's what I choose; i.e., I'm dictating my that partner come to me.

Best Regards,

Last edited by Greg Jennings : 08-17-2002 at 07:07 PM.

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Old 07-30-2002, 07:32 AM   #10
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Thumbs down SUIO RYU'S JO

Greg Jennings wrote:
Hi Jun,

My take is that SMR and aiki-jo have nothing in common that isn't conincidental from there only being so many ways a body and/or jo will move.

Best Regards,
KAMI : I agree, including with the part about Aikijo mixing of jukendo and Aikiken.

Also, SMR is not the only one that practices Jo. Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto Ryu and, specially, Suio Ryu has excelent Jo techniques of their own. Suio Ryu is, if possible, even more agressive (not necessarily better) than SMR.


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Old 08-17-2002, 04:54 PM   #11
David Worsley
Dojo: Plymouth School of Aikido
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Dear Y S,

We have in our syllabus pack the line drawings for three jo katas at present. A 13, 22 and 31 move. They are done in the style of Dynamic Sphere drawings would they be any good?

If so we need an address.
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Old 11-10-2006, 09:15 AM   #12
Brian Stokes
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Re: Styles of Jo

Hi All,

Just noticed this post. If anyone has an interest in the jo of the Suio Ryu there will be a workshop in January in San Diego. For more information please visit www.suioryu-bu-rai-an-dojo.org and click on the 2007 Martin Luther King weekend workshop link.


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