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Old 08-20-2006, 11:55 PM   #126
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Re: Taichi and Aikido

shut up justin.
before CMC poops on u from his grave.

 
Old 08-22-2006, 06:35 AM   #127
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If he can't answer, he can't answer.

A secret of internal strength?:
"Let your weight from the crotch area BE in his hands."
 
Old 08-22-2006, 09:52 AM   #128
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If he can't answer, he can't answer.
!!!
wiseman speaketh
 
Old 08-24-2006, 05:17 PM   #129
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!!!
wiseman speaketh
Robert, quit stalking me!

But back to the topic of the thread after it was sidetracked with discussions of something not being a traditional style, as if that has any bearing on the question of practicing taiji helping aikido and practicing aikido helping taiji.

From the connections I can make, balance, flexibility, and relaxed strength are some common elements. I don't see how practicing one cannot help the other. And then falls and rolls would supplement taijiquan and a few kicks and strikes would supplement aikido.

After reading Kiss. Ueshiba's Spirit of Aikido, what comes to my mind is something like taijiquan is Chinese aikido and aikido is Japanese taijiquan. Not literally, of course, but just kinda the feeling I get from these two wonderful martial arts.


Justin

A secret of internal strength?:
"Let your weight from the crotch area BE in his hands."
 
Old 08-26-2006, 09:47 PM   #130
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It's all one taste...
 
Old 09-07-2006, 08:22 AM   #131
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Haven't practiced tai chi yet, but from common sense standpoint, when one feels stuck with X, whatever that X is, just doing more X doesn't usually help.
this is certainly true when you're working out muscle groups.

can the same hold true for martial arts? it's an open ended question, and not a dispute to what you're saying.

while what you say makes complete sense, i also keep hearing about how you can never reach perfection in any art.
 
Old 09-07-2006, 06:10 PM   #132
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Here are some important issues Walter has still not addressed from this thread. These are important to clear up, since he makes many claims about taijiquan.

I'm sure with his internal strength expertise he will encounter no problems providing clear and consise answers to each number.

To make it easier on readers, I've provided blanks Walter can simply fill in.

1) What is the relation of this to Yang Chen Fu? What does the title on this page say? http://www.yongniantaiji.com/contents/newpage2.htm What does number 20 say?

The relation to Yang Chen Fu is _______
The title on the page says ______
Number 20 says _____


2) What book says qi is best translated as ground strength as is claimed ( http://www.iay.org.uk/internal-stren.../interview.htm )? What is the title and who is the author?

The title is _______
The author is ________


3) What are actual details re: Fu Zhong Wen laughed re: Zheng? Does one have anything besides a story?

My non-anecdotal evidence is ________


4) What truly skilled martial artists were not allowed to challenge Cheng as is claimed?

My non-anecdotal evidence is ________


5) Where is evidence that Chen Weiming was 'courting favors', as is claimed, as an explanation for him praising Cheng Man-ching's work?

My non-anecdotal evidence is ________


6) Where are all these newspaper clippings, that are claimed exist?

The newspaper clippings can be found at ______


I look forward to reading the answers, which are bound to be educational.


Justin

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"Let your weight from the crotch area BE in his hands."
 
Old 09-07-2006, 06:29 PM   #133
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I've answered all of Hunter's questions in that thread (which has nothing to do with this thread).


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Old 09-07-2006, 07:48 PM   #134
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To make it easier on readers, I've provided blanks Walter can simply fill in.
To make it easier for Walter to answer why don't you make it multiple choice?
 
Old 09-07-2006, 09:53 PM   #135
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See my post #124.

We had a Cheng Man Chinger come to our push-hands group in Boulder. First he hung around the edges at a couple of meets and then gradually did a little bit, but he didn't want anyone to be too competitive. Made it a point that he didn't like a lot of the assholes that got competitive and didn't "feel for the center" and "use complete relaxation"... all the "One with the Tao" stuff. Gradually, he actually began to do some pretty good push-hands and started getting a feel for how to use jin. Became one of the better, regular participants. But an odd thing happened.... as he found out that he could beat people, he suddenly turned into exactly the kind of asshole that he'd originally said he despised... really liked to beat people and do a bit of bullying. No one else of the better players developed that kind of attitude; just him. But it's exactly the kind of mean, nasty behaviour that I've seen so often in Cheng Man Ching people that I've come to expect it, more often than not. Sort of a self-righteous nastiness. Kind of people that would stalk you around the internet while at the same time convince themselves that they're superior dudes.

Mike
 
Old 09-07-2006, 10:05 PM   #136
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We had a Cheng Man Chinger come to our push-hands group in Boulder. First he hung around the edges at a couple of meets and then gradually did a little bit, but he didn't want anyone to be too competitive. Made it a point that he didn't like a lot of the assholes that got competitive and didn't "feel for the center" and "use complete relaxation"... all the "One with the Tao" stuff.
Another unverifiable story. Anyone sense a pattern?

Quote:
Sort of a self-righteous nastiness.
All this time I've been thinking what is nasty is those who make claims they have no intention of backing up, especially 3, 4, 5, and 6, which you assert and provide no documentation whatsoever when questioned.

If you make some outlandish claims, and you do along with some regular ones, expect to get questioned on them.


1) What is the relation of this to Yang Chen Fu? What does the title on this page say? http://www.yongniantaiji.com/contents/newpage2.htm What does number 20 say?

The relation to Yang Chen Fu is _______
The title on the page says ______
Number 20 says _____

2) What book says qi is best translated as ground strength as is claimed ( http://www.iay.org.uk/internal-stre...d/interview.htm )? What is the title and who is the author?

The title is _______
The author is ________

3) What are actual details re: Fu Zhong Wen laughed re: Zheng? Does one have anything besides a story?

My non-anecdotal evidence is ________

4) What truly skilled martial artists were not allowed to challenge Cheng as is claimed?

My non-anecdotal evidence is ________

5) Where is evidence that Chen Weiming was 'courting favors', as is claimed, as an explanation for him praising Cheng Man-ching's work?

My non-anecdotal evidence is ________

6) Where are all these newspaper clippings, that are claimed exist?

The newspaper clippings can be found at ______


Justin

A secret of internal strength?:
"Let your weight from the crotch area BE in his hands."
 
Old 09-07-2006, 10:11 PM   #137
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This thread has seemingly degenerated into just the kind of personal attacks that I do not care to see propagated on my site. Thread closed.

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