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Old 05-17-2006, 11:02 AM   #26
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Re: Big Aikido vs Small Aikido

Large movements are easier to learn and can be effective, if you have the room to use them. Small movements are easier to learn if you learn the large movements first. Small movements are easier to use no matter how much room you have to use them.
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Old 05-17-2006, 11:48 AM   #27
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Re: Big Aikido vs Small Aikido

The advanced levels of Daito ryu are mostly small circles. With big circles, you tend to use your center along with your whole body. With small circles, you still use your center but without the large body movement.
Also, I remember Hiroshi Ikeda Sensei saying at the first Aiki Expo that in the beginning, the movements are large but as you advance, they should get smaller and smaller until they almost disappear.
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Old 05-18-2006, 04:08 AM   #28
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Re: Big Aikido vs Small Aikido

Josh and Chuck, sorry I mean to say everything bigger , all circles, run into the waza or grab. Make every aspect bigger.
Took the words out of my mouth Josh with the comment on jumping half way across the dojo. Also put words in my mouth with the "motto ookiku".

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Old 05-18-2006, 05:10 AM   #29
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Re: Big Aikido vs Small Aikido

I can see that bigger is better for learning and finding holes or flaws in the waza (good points) ,small is good for the true aiki aspect. Another thing that comes to mind is the realistic portion of the kata, every attacker in the street will not always just walk up and grab your wrist or lapel, sometimes they will be advancing at you at speed and I believe, IMHO (is my hair ok) that big is better here, small is the other side of the coin. I definately have taken something away from this thread thank you all.

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Old 05-18-2006, 06:26 AM   #30
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Re: Big Aikido vs Small Aikido

From what I can see of it, hair looks fine.
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Old 05-18-2006, 07:26 AM   #31
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Re: Big Aikido vs Small Aikido

In Korindo Aikido, we aspire to make the circles as small as possible. This has a practical aspect, one may not expect to consistently take two steps as Tori while Uke has only stepped once. The movement should come from the center and use the whole body yet remain small.


Given the progress of learning, beginners are allowed to make larger movements and even encouraged to act so, if it would make them use their body better. AS a student advances, he will reduce the number of steps he need in a technique, and learn to utilize his body better. This is enhanced by Korindo Aikido circular Tai-Sabaki that had been developed especially for this purpose - learning to harmonize movement and applying base don the waist and from the center. Already at mid levels, many techniques require only a single step - towards Uke, and the rest is done while Tori remains in place, and Uke finds himself circling around him (the higher the level of both, the shorter the movement).

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Old 05-18-2006, 06:13 PM   #32
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Re: Big Aikido vs Small Aikido

Fumio Toyoda-shihan believed in big aikido. This means his movements were big and round. He was very fluid and powerful!
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Old 05-23-2006, 07:19 AM   #33
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Re: Big Aikido vs Small Aikido

That explains alot Brad as the very Aikido I practice has its roots from Tochigi. But can see both sides of the coin. If you have not already seen this check it out Brad.
http://www.aaa-aikido.com/teachers/toyoda.html

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Old 07-18-2006, 10:24 AM   #34
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Re: Big Aikido vs Small Aikido

(first of all Jun if you hear me pls help me change my name from mato-san to mat because I am a discrace the ppl with a username like that from what I have been told) Now lets bring some substance into this thread.

The defence to the attack may be big or small, we have a shomenuchi ikkyo irimi fluid progress to tenkan(can be done big or small) and obvious small is the objective here provided it is done well, but a big waza like munetsuki kotegaeshi,personally I am not looking for small here until we reach the kotegaeshi then rather twist it out in a breakfall big aiki type waza bring that wrist well into your centre for small and effective kotegaeshi (that is the best small) but again just lil me stating my opinion!

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