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Old 06-22-2006, 07:11 PM   #1
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Jacked up my Knee

So I fauled my knee, again. Took a bad breakfall and couldnt walk wednesday morn. Went to the hospital, doc told me I strained it or sprained it. My Korean is atrocious and so was his english. He said "mabye no training for 2 weeks" and gave me some heavy narcotics (whoohoo!). Does anybody have any advice on how to recover from this sort of injury and if i really have to wait 2 weeks to train. I really dont want to faul it worse, but I sure as hell dont want to stay off the mat for 2 weeks.
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Old 06-22-2006, 07:28 PM   #2
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Re: Jacked up my Knee

no. if you really want a sprain or strain to heal you should take 6 to 8 wks to recover then do rehab.

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Old 06-22-2006, 10:20 PM   #3
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Re: Jacked up my Knee

Quote:
Isaac Bettis wrote:
but I sure as hell dont want to stay off the mat for 2 weeks.
Better two or more weeks than two or more years or maybe never again.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:00 PM   #4
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Give it a rest. Do not try to train through the pain. It may not work. See an orthopedic knee guy if needed.

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Old 06-23-2006, 02:18 AM   #5
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Re: Jacked up my Knee

Something I have seen a lot in aikido and to which I have been guilty of myself:

The art of peace learns us to be gently with the opponent. Not to harm him in anyway. Because our focus is in taking away the negative energy, not the person himself.

But do we listen to our own body? No sir.
When our body is hurt and is given clear signs that something is not functioning properly, we just wave it away as being not important. As long as our mind is happy, the body should not complain.

Where is the harmony of which we speak so often in this? You want to learn to be in harmony with your opponent, but you cant keep harmony within yourself.
There certainly is no harmony between the mind and the body.

For over the last 7 months I have problems with a bad knee myself. I try to be on the mat once a week. Doing what I can, trying not to hurt my knee.
But sometimes I get to enthusiastic, training to much then my knee can handle. My knee always hurts after those days.

So much to learn.
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Old 06-23-2006, 03:51 AM   #6
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I have a permanent groin injury from years of abuse from competition karate kicking at silly angles to get a point or not warming up correctly, usual thing my body is fit and strong can take any punishment!! how wrong was I, rest up go watch some classes from the mat side I was impressed how much I took in just from sitting out and watching when I pulled my back a few weeks ago, even the slightest twinge now I air on the side of caution.
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Old 06-23-2006, 06:26 AM   #7
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Oh we of the broken knee as I always say, i know quite a few guys (and girls) who have bad knees. My advice would be the same as above, don't try and train through the pain. A little bit soreness is fine but start to learn when your body is telling you NO MORE, sit out and watch for a bit and then get back. I pushed it too hard and was off the matt for a few weeks came back and did the same again with the same results, now i try to take it as easy as possible and listen to my body. One of the times I was out with my knee I had to miss the 25th anniversary of the organisation I train with, and missed my sensei getting awarded his go-dan, it was rough.

Train as hard as you like, but pay attention to what your body is telling you, try to find ways to do things that minimise the strain on your knee. Heal up then go back and kick butt (in a peacefull harmonious way of course )

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Old 06-23-2006, 07:24 AM   #8
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When I was young, immortal and invincible my body's voice was a whisper that I did not hear. As time went by the voice was louder and tried to converse with me but I ignored it. It then began a debate with me that I occasional lost. Then it was an argument that my body won often. Now that I am a mere mortal and one of the " we of the broken knee" and have Rice Krispies joints, it is a groan saying, " I tried to tell you, but you wouldn't listen",
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Old 06-23-2006, 11:03 AM   #9
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Echoing everyone else: give it a rest.

Treat this as a learning experience that injuries will happen and will keep you off the mat. From my point of view, this type of experience is part of your training. I lost the better part of last year due to an injury. Do aikido in your mind and go back when ready.
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Old 06-23-2006, 11:16 AM   #10
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When I was 5 months in to my aikido training, I sprained my knee taking ukemi from iriminage. I did not rest it. Well, I rested it occasionally. Usually just when my teachers ordered me to. I would skip a class or two here and there, I would get on the mat but not take ukemi, I'd take "gentle" ukemi, I'd try to participate normally, I'd start class but then have to bow out, etc...

I should have taken a few weeks off. Since I was stubborn and did not take care of it, it took 5 MONTHS to heal. That set my training back considerably!

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Old 06-23-2006, 11:27 AM   #11
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R.I.C.E. Rest. Ice. Compression. Elevation. Try it, it's always worked for me.

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Old 06-23-2006, 04:09 PM   #12
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Rest as long as you need to. Go to a sports physio if you can. Listen to the experts (and everyone here, so far. Janet Rosen is an expert in this issue) If you go to the dojo to watch, don't bring your dogi. You really can learn a lot by going and just watching, but don't do it if you will get sucked into practicing physically. Look at it as a test of your character and restraint. Good luck and heal well.
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Old 06-23-2006, 05:48 PM   #13
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[Biased Opinion - I'm an acupuncturist]

Add acupuncture and herbal linaments to the R.I.C.E. method. I use them all the time to speed up the healing process.
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Old 06-23-2006, 06:32 PM   #14
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JILL! wow it has been a LONG time! good to see you here!

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Old 06-26-2006, 09:18 AM   #15
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So far, no injuries for me....3 more days....

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Old 06-30-2006, 04:26 PM   #16
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I mucked up my ankle when I first began training and it was sore for a good six weeks. Not too much, just a class I sprain, and it only hurt when I put certain kinds of loading on the joint. That said, after the six weeks of minor twinges while training I visited a chiropracter / sports injury specialist. He gave me the following advice, which worked quite well and got me going again properly in just two more weeks.

1. Take a few weeks off training until it stops hurting. If it hurts, it's damaged. Don't damage it further by continuing to train or You Will Be Sorry. Wear a brace around the area to help support it while it's healing. You may even want to wear it during training or physical exertion for a couple more weeks after you resume just to make sure.

2. Inflammation prevents healing. Fluids build up in your joint as a result of the body's natural response to the injury. Joints in general have poor circulation, and the hands and the feet have the worst. To combat this, take some anti-inflammatory drugs (he recommended Ibuprofen). Acupuncture can help with this in some cases, and there are other treatments available as well. Consult a professional for more details.

3. The muscles around the joint are what protects the joint from injury in the first place. After a week or two of rest, work on strengthening those muscles with isometric exercises. Each joint has different exercises to help strengthen it. You can probably find some by searching the web with which joint it is and the keywords 'physical therapy'. 'Range of motion' exercises are also recommended. If you don't do these exercises you may well end up with a bum joint later in life.

If you can find a sports injury doctor in your area, I highly reccomend seeing them. They are very knowledgeable about the injuries that joints and ligaments undergo during intense physical activity. Your injury sounds like a fairly bad sprain. Definately give it the time it needs to heal. And work on taking those falls safely when you get back! Remember, we train to fall so we can continue to train.

Oh, one last note. If you ever experience failure in a joint - where it feels like all the strength suddenly just goes out of it, often with loud popping or snapping noises - STOP and see a professional as soon as possible.

Craig
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Old 07-12-2006, 01:15 PM   #17
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Once I twisted my knee during practice and although it hurt a lot a week later I was feeling ok and thought that it would be ok to get back full force again. I was wrong, my knee was still weak and I ended up twisting it again, this time it was bad and I had to go through surgery to rebuild my ACL.
A year has passed since then, I'm 35 and the knee is fine, I'm still practicing, but it is not the same.

Be careful!

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