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Old 07-03-2006, 02:51 PM   #26
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

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You know Pauliina, for me aikido practice is not a circus or show. Demo to promote aikido must mirror daily practice, not develop false choreography like in the theatre.

That's why; in this video these guys miss completely the point. Also, they try to simulate 'real' attacks --- and it can be good for somebody who never saw a fight. However, it is very far from reality, so in that sense they cheat public that watch it.

From technical point of view, tori looks very stiff, by doing short, sharp movements he seems to believe that he can develop more power.His body doesn't move in the moment of a throw, it means that he does technique only with his hands. This way he can't release a real power. So uke must jump and help him to do a technique. I hope tori will progress in the future, but he will need a real Master.
Respected Szczepan Janczuk! I wonder what dan do you hold to make such strict judgements?!
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Old 07-03-2006, 03:51 PM   #27
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

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Respected Szczepan Janczuk! I wonder what dan do you hold to make such strict judgements?!
Are you associated with the guy in the video?

Someone asked for an opinion, he gave it. Were people hoping only for flattery? Welcome to Scz...

I had some problems with the video, too. But in fairness, we see SHIHAN with cooperative UKE, so why give lesser mortals grief about it? There was a lot to like in the clip.

There's a (rather impressive) video of Yamada demonstrating in Japan. Toward the end of the RANDORI, he is obviously being overwhelmed and simply signals for it to end.

SHIHAN? ECCE HOMO!

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Old 07-03-2006, 04:30 PM   #28
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

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Chris, you are a patient man. My congratulations and admiration.
lol what can i say, he talked to the bitchy 1am Paige, without blowing up. Really though, i was rude and i apologize chris. It being 1 am was no excuse.

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Old 07-03-2006, 04:41 PM   #29
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

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lol what can i say, he talked to the bitchy 1am Paige, without blowing up. Really though, i was rude and i apologize chris. It being 1 am was no excuse.

*Paige*
Luckily, it was still a decent hour in Honolulu .

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Old 07-05-2006, 05:00 PM   #30
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

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Respected Szczepan Janczuk! I wonder what dan do you hold to make such strict judgements?!
Hi Helen,
It has nothing to do with my rank. My judgement comes from level of training not from ranks.
Strict???? -- I'd say fair. I gave some rational arguments, they can be used to improve practice if someone wish.

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Old 07-05-2006, 05:07 PM   #31
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I had some problems with the video, too. But in fairness, we see SHIHAN with cooperative UKE, so why give lesser mortals grief about it? There was a lot to like in the clip.
I didn't say it was entierly bad.

Why set our goals less then Founder level? It would be capitulation.

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Old 07-05-2006, 05:41 PM   #32
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It has nothing to do with my rank. My judgement comes from level of training not from ranks.
Well how long have you been training then? Rank is irrelevant, i agree, but the amount of time you have spent practicing/studying aikido, is extremely relevant. I think we are all simply curious.
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:14 PM   #33
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

I'm a bit late, but I thought the video showed some real good things. It was certainly energetic, which satisfied my Bart Simpson attention span. The variety of technique was pretty cool. I can understand the argument that demonstrations should reflect daily training, but I can also understand why that might not be so good too. I don't think one is necessarily better than the other as long as in either they try to maintain a high degree of sincerity. I can understand wanting to ensure a polished performance. I think demos are more about giving a very general idea than exactness...though it does take some of the wind out of the sails when you see someone throw himself. Still, I've been training off and on for almost 8 years (mostly off, but I've seen a lot of demonstrations) and I thought it was a pretty good demo, relatively speaking (it's all relative after all! ).
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Old 07-05-2006, 06:33 PM   #34
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

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Well how long have you been training then? Rank is irrelevant, i agree, but the amount of time you have spent practicing/studying aikido, is extremely relevant. I think we are all simply curious.
I'd say I'm a good example of how length of time training can be moot too. If asked (and occasionally when not asked ), I tell people I began training 8 years ago and sometimes they think that sounds impressive. It's quality, not quantity though. In reality, I've only got roughly 2 years of solid training in: the first year I trained often, sometimes 5 and 6 days a week, usually 3 or 4 days a week. Second year was about half that. Third year was maybe once or twice a month, and from there the only regularity was in how much it declined. Only recently have I begun to train again with any consistency.
So, long boring story short (sorry): what was the question again? Oh yeah, you weren't talkig to me...

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Old 07-05-2006, 08:52 PM   #35
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

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Why set our goals less then Founder level? It would be capitulation.
Nice.

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Old 07-05-2006, 09:24 PM   #36
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Szczepan,
How is your video coming along?
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Old 07-06-2006, 05:05 AM   #37
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

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Szczepan,
How is your video coming along?
Moderator hat on
David, please stay on topic.
Moderator hat off

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Old 07-06-2006, 07:00 AM   #38
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Moderator hat on
David, please stay on topic.
Moderator hat off
Just curious.
Maybe we could start a thread about your video. You know give you ideas to put in it.
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Old 07-06-2006, 07:04 AM   #39
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

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Just curious.
Maybe we could start a thread about your video. You know give you ideas to put in it.
That's been done

http://www.aikiweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10204

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Old 07-06-2006, 08:54 AM   #40
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Re: One more iwamaivanovo!

I like the demo as a demo. I also think Mr. S has a good point about demo's mirroring regular practice. But things as they are, I except that demos for most won't be that.

That said, I wonder what some of the Kokyu Crowd (TM) have to say about that demo. The style of aikido (Iwama) that the demonstrator trains in often speaks of developing kokyu. In my limited experience and ability in that area, I would have to say that in spite of exquisite timing, good movement in general, and sharp atemi, the demonstrator only showed decent kokyu ability on a few of the hip throws. A lot of the others it looks like he loses his connection to the ground, and covers it by muscling the throws with his upper body.

But he would kick my butt.

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Old 07-06-2006, 10:39 AM   #41
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Szczepan,
How is your video coming along?
Excellent! Keep on it!

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