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Old 12-11-2001, 08:48 AM   #1
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Is There Any Style Of Combat Aikido?

Does anyone know if there is a style that would resemble a form of combat aikido? I know that Hapkido has a form of this but does aikido have this as well?

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Old 12-11-2001, 10:42 AM   #2
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Re: Is There Any Style Of Combat Aikido?

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Does anyone know if there is a style that would resemble a form of combat aikido? I know that Hapkido has a form of this but does aikido have this as well?

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Yes. I'm not sure if I remember this correctly, so please bear with me here... I believe it's called something along the lines of "Aikido".
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Old 12-11-2001, 10:56 AM   #3
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If you happen to be in combat, aikido principles work just fine. It is your responsibility to choose the correct level of force, etc.

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Old 12-11-2001, 12:38 PM   #4
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Correct me if I am wrong but...

I was led to belive that the principles underlying Aikido would be opposed to "combat aikido". I'm taking combat to mean a form which includes attacks as well as defences. If that's what you intended by combat, then I would suggest you study a different martial art to accomplish those goals.
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Old 12-11-2001, 01:06 PM   #5
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Ever seen two Sempai fight over the last beer....now that's combat!
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Old 12-11-2001, 02:11 PM   #6
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Re: Correct me if I am wrong but...

There is of course attacks in Aikido. Sen no sen.

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I was led to belive that the principles underlying Aikido would be opposed to "combat aikido". I'm taking combat to mean a form which includes attacks as well as defences. If that's what you intended by combat, then I would suggest you study a different martial art to accomplish those goals.

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Old 12-11-2001, 02:32 PM   #7
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I agree that there are attacks within the practice of Aikido, but the art itself ultimately seeks to provide an effective defense, not a well-formed offensive strategy.

In my understanding, the attacks are only used/learned to aid in the teaching of defensive maneuvers.

Once again, I might be wrong, or just spouting my own opinion.

I'm always open for critique.
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Old 12-11-2001, 02:45 PM   #8
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In my understanding, the attacks are only used/learned to aid in the teaching of defensive maneuvers.
I wasn't referring to uke's actions when I stated the principle of sen no sen.

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Old 12-11-2001, 02:47 PM   #9
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I agree that there are attacks within the practice of Aikido, but the art itself ultimately seeks to provide an effective defense, not a well-formed offensive strategy.
Some teachers I've trained with have made comments that offense and defense are exactly the same.

You might want to ask your teacher about "sen no sen." Having met him and knowing where he's trained, I'm very sure he'll have some pretty interesting thoughts about that concept.

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Old 12-11-2001, 03:01 PM   #10
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Some teachers I've trained with have made comments that offense and defense are exactly the same.
Interesting stuff. I'll be sure to ask Sensei about that.

I apologize if I raised any eyebrows. I'm still learning very slowly, so my thinking is rough and a work-in-progress. I certainly don't mean to be hostile or offend.
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Old 12-11-2001, 07:35 PM   #11
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Thumbs down Offense and defense

I appreciate your comments on offense and defense, Jun. In my training that line of thinking has been a very common premise permeating all styles and applications homogeneously. When one thinks of the defensive applications of Aikido, it is more a reflection of the philosophical and spiritual intentions of the art that govern this interpretation. Likewise, the more aggrssive elements of other styles are largely reflective of percieved philosophy and intent. A thorough analysis reveals the techniques of either art are not all that different. If one were to chose to define the style by its philosphical and spiritual elements, I suppose, in this short space the answer would exist that there is no offensive form of aikido. It is up to each of us then to ponder the definition of combative. My own sense of it is that it incorporates both offense and defense; many times defense being all the more important.
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Old 12-12-2001, 02:45 AM   #12
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Re: Is There Any Style Of Combat Aikido?

I don't know why you're getting a hard time. I think Steven Seagall's aikido style is fairly hard. I don't know if I'd call it combat...


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Does anyone know if there is a style that would resemble a form of combat aikido? I know that Hapkido has a form of this but does aikido have this as well?

Thanks
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Old 12-12-2001, 05:38 AM   #13
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Blah, blah, blah... aikido is great.

Blah, blah, blah... aikido is all things.

Bhah, blah, blah... if Jesus was alive today he would practice aikido and slap those Romans around.

Anyway, there are certain forms of Aikibudo out there if you are willing to look. Steven Segal is one example, so is Sensei Lukeman of Morroco (He teaches the most vicious Nikyos). Most people who practice aikibudo tend to hide from the mainstream aikido community.

You might want to look into certain forms of Aikijitsu, Aikijujitsu, Aikibujitsu. There are different schools depending on the familiy lineage so look around. They have offensive techniques and feints to get uke's to comit to an attack.
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Old 12-12-2001, 10:46 AM   #14
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You might want to look into certain forms of Aikijitsu, Aikijujitsu, Aikibujitsu. There are different schools depending on the familiy lineage so look around. They have offensive techniques and feints to get uke's to comit to an attack.
As does aikido.
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Old 12-13-2001, 12:21 AM   #15
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LOL


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Blah, blah, blah... aikido is great.

Blah, blah, blah... aikido is all things.

Bhah, blah, blah... if Jesus was alive today he would practice aikido and slap those Romans around.
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Old 12-15-2001, 07:53 PM   #16
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O Sensei said it best, "There are neither opponents nor enemies in true budo. True budo is to be one with the universe; that is, to be unitied with the center of the universe."

Guess that answers my questions on this topic.
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