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Old 03-15-2006, 10:46 PM   #26
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Re: Delusion, Daydreams, and Reality

I got your point.

Veering off topic a bit going towards wolves, how could an alpha male be an alpha male if he does not gain respect from his pack? I don't know, I think it's an abomination that an alpha male could get mobbed by his pack; first time I've ever heard of this happening. A coup d'etat in the natural world.

Anyway...

Yes... My perception at first was exactly what you are saying, I do want to be the hero, but the more I learned the more I understand.

Learning martial arts did not teach me on how to defend myself nor it did teach me how to fight but it did teach me about acceptance. Of course this all depends on your journey. Learning martial arts is slowly cutting away my arrogance (mind you, there is still a big piece to cut off), it taught me how fragile and weak the human body really is, how helpless humans are, how mortal we are. I have accepted this truth, and no matter how we try to compensate for these short-comings, in the end we are still weak creatures.

I'm not going to the spiritual side of the matter here, because accepting that means accepting death, and we will go on to a long spiritual discussions that might bore most of you.

In the end, what is perceived as reality could actually be the delusion and vice versa. Dreams will easily be shattered. There is no absolute truth in this relative world.


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Old 03-16-2006, 05:06 AM   #27
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Re: Delusion, Daydreams, and Reality

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I got your point.

Veering off topic a bit going towards wolves, how could an alpha male be an alpha male if he does not gain respect from his pack? I don't know, I think it's an abomination that an alpha male could get mobbed by his pack; first time I've ever heard of this happening. A coup d'etat in the natural world.

Anyway...

Yes... My perception at first was exactly what you are saying, I do want to be the hero, but the more I learned the more I understand.

Learning martial arts did not teach me on how to defend myself nor it did teach me how to fight but it did teach me about acceptance. Of course this all depends on your journey. Learning martial arts is slowly cutting away my arrogance (mind you, there is still a big piece to cut off), it taught me how fragile and weak the human body really is, how helpless humans are, how mortal we are. I have accepted this truth, and no matter how we try to compensate for these short-comings, in the end we are still weak creatures.

I'm not going to the spiritual side of the matter here, because accepting that means accepting death, and we will go on to a long spiritual discussions that might bore most of you.

In the end, what is perceived as reality could actually be the delusion and vice versa. Dreams will easily be shattered. There is no absolute truth in this relative world.


Regards,

K'
Hello!
In regards to the alpha wolf. It wasn't his own pack that attacked him, but members from a rival pack.

Good post.

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Old 03-16-2006, 07:07 AM   #28
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There is no absolute truth in this relative world.
Absolutely true!

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Old 03-16-2006, 09:18 AM   #29
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There is no absolute truth in this relative world.
Absolutely true!
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

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Old 03-16-2006, 09:21 AM   #30
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Happy Birthday Joshua!

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Old 03-16-2006, 10:06 AM   #31
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Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Well, if that's true, then when dealing with one, you might as well accept the inevitable because *drum roll* Sith Happens. LOL!

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Old 03-16-2006, 11:21 AM   #32
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Happy Birthday Joshua!

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Say, thanks! Actually, it passed about 3 hours ago. It's 3 AM, March 17 here in Japan.

Just turned 30. Weird how my 20s seemed simultaneously short and long...

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Old 03-17-2006, 09:37 AM   #33
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How did "dances with wolves" morph into a birthday party? Happy birthday anyway.
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Old 03-17-2006, 09:50 AM   #34
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Just to go full circle...Delusion, Daydreams, Reality

then Dancing with wolves,

then Birthdays (I liked the little cake next to his name),

and now....

Morphing. So when the topic changes, it morphs...which topic is the delusion, which the daydream, and which the reality?

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I dreamt I was a butterfly, and didn't know when I awoke if I was a man who had dreamt he was a butterfly, or a butterfly who now dreamt he was a man.
Chuang Tzu's dream
500 Years BC

Seems appropriate somehow. Perhaps a better name for the thread would have been "[Self]-Delusion, Daydreams, and Reality"...

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Old 03-17-2006, 10:20 AM   #35
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Self delusion is actually very big in the martial arts.
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Old 03-17-2006, 10:51 AM   #36
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Yeah, I try to be as self-deluded as I can in my martial arts. Then I wake up!

Seriously, though, I never cease to be amazed by all the claims of some people in the martial arts world. Some of their backgrounds reads like a list of Hollywood movie credits. 10th degree combat jujitsu, 10th degree World Federation Kan Do, 9th degree taijutsu do, 8th degree yada yada yada, on and on for pages. Sheesh, where did they get the time to achieve all these ranks and still only be 40 years old?

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Old 03-17-2006, 11:32 AM   #37
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Yeah, I try to be as self-deluded as I can in my martial arts. Then I wake up!

Seriously, though, I never cease to be amazed by all the claims of some people in the martial arts world. Some of their backgrounds reads like a list of Hollywood movie credits. 10th degree combat jujitsu, 10th degree World Federation Kan Do, 9th degree taijutsu do, 8th degree yada yada yada, on and on for pages. Sheesh, where did they get the time to achieve all these ranks and still only be 40 years old?

Mark
Right here on e-bay Mark.

Here is your instructors certificate for cane fighting:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Kenpo-Martial-Ar...QQcmdZViewItem

Here is your instructors certifcate for stick fighting:
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Here is your black belt in Shorinkenjitsu and American Tiger Jujitsu:
http://skkaacademy1.tripod.com/

People are selling rank all over the place now. LOL

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Old 03-17-2006, 01:06 PM   #38
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Right here on e-bay Mark.

People are selling rank all over the place now. LOL
Don't forget this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Aikido-to-2nd-De...QQcmdZViewItem

If you buy now, they throw in a second nidan for your training partner for free!!!

Wonder if they have a program for up to 10th degree? Seems everything can be found for sale on the Internet. I saw a place a few months ago that sold Ph.D. degrees for $399. And for just another $100, you can have all A's on your transcript. LOL!

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Old 03-17-2006, 02:41 PM   #39
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Don't forget this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Aikido-to-2nd-De...QQcmdZViewItem

If you buy now, they throw in a second nidan for your training partner for free!!!

Mark
LOL ... Missed that one in my quick search this morning; I love the quote about "techniques are easy to follow."

See in a matter of weeks for a few hundred dollars we can all be black belts in a variety of martial arts AND have our PHD with straight A's to boot to show how well rounded we are.

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Old 03-17-2006, 05:12 PM   #40
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If I'm going to go for the delusions and daydreams part, I'm going to get all of that, then get me one of them Soke titles. Throw in a grandmaster title. Then, I'll add to it. I'm thinking something along the lines of: O-Soke Great Grandmaster Ichi Kaiso Hyakudan.

O-Soke (To elevate me to being above all the other Soke)
Great Grandmaster (Elevating me above the other Grandmasters)
Ichi Kaiso (Number 1 top founder of the organization -- all others must start at 2)
Hyakudan (I'll have 10 - 10th degrees thus securing my spot as a 100th degree).

ROTFL at the silliness of it all,
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Old 03-17-2006, 05:13 PM   #41
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That is why we have to practice.
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Old 03-18-2006, 12:26 AM   #42
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People are selling rank all over the place now. LOL
I signed up for the $9 American Tiger Jujitsu. The web site says I can be promoted by the honor system by e-mailing the seller when I've learned the appropriate techniques. I'm so excited! I'll go buy myself a blue belt from the karate shop and add it to my resume. My cage fighting prowess will increase exponentially with all my new submission expertise!
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Old 03-19-2006, 05:24 AM   #43
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I am going to repeat myself now: "That is why we have to practice..." Rank means something in real dojos in real lineages; this is something not to forget. So we have to continuously ask ourselves why we are practicing; not why people practiced in the past, but why we are practicing now. There's an old story about a marine who was practicing aikido and made the observation that he "doesn't beat his kids anymore."
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Old 03-19-2006, 09:20 AM   #44
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I like what another Aikiweb poster *winks at fellow AC grad* said to me when we were chatting off the mat during Ellis Amdur's recent seminar in Maryland, which I'll badly paraphrase, but roughly amounted to, "Rank only means something between you and your instructor".

That seems about right to me.

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Old 03-19-2006, 10:34 AM   #45
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I like what another Aikiweb poster *winks at fellow AC grad* said to me when we were chatting off the mat during Ellis Amdur's recent seminar in Maryland, which I'll badly paraphrase, but roughly amounted to, "Rank only means something between you and your instructor".

That seems about right to me.
Budd,
Hello! Hope you're doing well. We met at the Amdur seminar. How's training going?

Yeah, for the most part, I'd agree with that statement. But, it seems like a lot of people put stock in "Rank" when dealing with people outside their organization. I think it gives them a way of comparing what these "new" people know in relation to how they've interacted with similar ranks in their own organization. So, in that aspect, it becomes important to them.

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