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Old 11-01-2001, 11:20 PM   #26
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i would say this thread is short and sweet, compared to other "Is aikido effective" threads...

arv: where do u train??
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Old 11-02-2001, 06:57 AM   #27
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Yeah ivan ive heard all that stuff abt muay thai wacthed a documentary on it in fact...nasty nasty...do tell me where to train in singapore maybe i'll have a look see after my exams...


Hey Leslie hows everything! Oh i train under Aikido Shinjukai, affiliated with Singapore Aikikai...its the one with abt 14 odd dojos around the country yeah actually i dun think i need to go further man there's only like what, three odd associations here for aikido right?
im currently training at Bukit Timah CC on Saturdays from 5:00pm to 6:30pm and hold the measely itsy bitsy rank of blue gold aka 5th kyu...i hoping to remedy this by training full time after my exams in December and January next year before going into the Army...

howbout u Leslie? Feel free to drop me an email at akula71@hotmail.com abt where u train and stuff...maybe can meet up when im less busy...poly exams now also rite? Gd luck!!
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Old 11-03-2001, 03:15 PM   #28
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Personally, I don't like the idea of martial art vs martial art.Moreover, it seems that every layman doubts the effectiveness of Aikido, and claim that some other martial art is more effective. Aikido IS effective if you remain calm.I believe the most important thing to learn abt martial art is being calm, only when you are calm, then can you apply those techniques. In a street fight, even if you're a 15 yrs practitioner of any martial art, if you are unable to remain calm, you might be fighting like 'average joe'. So don't compare a 'sparring' session with streetfight. When you're sparring, you are prepared, in a streetfight you are not. The purpose of martial art is for self def and self-realization, not martial art vs martial art. Ppl often talk abt this martial art has strong devastating moves and so on...which is precisely why i chose Aikido instead of other martial art. It's because in most of other martial arts, the bigger guy usually wins the fight, regardless on how skillful the smaller guy is. That's why in fighting competitions for striking arts, there is always weight classification. The smaller guy might even lose to a larger 'average' joe. But in Aikido we make use of the opposition's strength instead, which explains why a smaller man is able to throw a larger man(provided if the attack is committed that is). I am not saying every aikidoka can do it, i am also not implying that i can do it in a dangerous situation, because it's to each individual's level to percieve. If you want to choose Aikido, it might take you longer to see results than other martial arts. Most of us want fast results and expect to be a master in a couple of wks. But are often disappointed and assume that Aikido is useless when they can't see results. So if you want fast results, Aikido may not be the art for you.
Just my opinion.
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Old 11-05-2001, 08:56 AM   #29
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"even while attacking with ur fist, if the opponent were to be able to counter attack u, ur other hand and leg will be protecting ur whole body, furthermore with a great condtioned body and stamina, even if u were to take the blow, it is noting." (Ivan)

You need to learn a lot more about self-defence Ivan! (especially since it seems you did not understand our 'long' replies; my aplogies for using complete words). You have obviously been conditioned to fight in a certain way. Aikido might be a bit of an eye opener for you - though I suspect it will be many years before you understand what Aikido is trying to achieve.

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Old 11-07-2001, 02:21 AM   #30
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Smile Is Aikido effective?

I have just started learning the techniques of Aikido. I also have a friend who is a brown belt in Kung Fu. We have discussed what I have learnt in my Aikido lessons and it seems that the Techniques are the complete opposite to each other. In Other martial arts power is needed to block and counter your attacker. The techniques often lead to the attacker being disarmed by injury. In Aikido the attack is absorbed and redirected back to the attacker with the intention of no serious harm to the attacker.

In our Dojo we have constantly discussed how effective Aikido would be in the street. My Sensei told us a story about when he used Aikido without even touching his attackers. It was in London two very large guys came up to him in the street saying they wanted a fight he was the one. He replied I wouldnt try and prepared himself...they actually sensed his readiness and they actually reconsidered and left him.

Aikido I believe teaches reconciliation and the avoidance of violence first if this fails then the techniques are used. It all depends on an attacker iniating an attack. In practise the techniques look rather staged but this is practise and it is important to learn and to learn to be quicker and quicker the practise techniques hand grabs are just for practise not the real deal but we have to learn in a safe way and we learn techniques and develop them into real situations and the quick punch in a bar can easily be defended against as in all martial arts
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Old 11-08-2001, 07:03 AM   #31
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A friend of mine also did Kung Fu, but found the opposite - that Aikido is very similar (except you move around a lot more). It seems there may be a difference in style. Surely excercises like 'push hands' emphasise sesetivity over strength?

I'd also say, Aikido is not about being 'weak' but about being sensetive to your partner so if you do use force it is done with your whole body and it is done when the opponent is in the weakest position.

a similar story to yours; A sensei I know was just getting off a train when a group of blokes tried to pounce on him. He stepped out of the way, leaving one of them to run straight into a post (knocking the bloke unconcious) - the sensei then dissapeared into the crowd.

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Old 11-08-2001, 10:41 PM   #32
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Ivan, I'd have to say aikido is about as practical as tai chi. Aikido would be the last art I would learn for self defense.

I have yet to find anyone who could answer your question, and the reason I believe that is so is because aikido was not really developed as a primary fighting system.

As opposed to arts like wing chun that were made particularly for hand to hand combat, aikido is a child of aiki jiu jitsu which evolved due to hand to sword defence. As a result, a lot of the techniques in aikido have grabs. A jab is a difficult attack for aikido to defend against as it is not a committed attack. You're really applying the wrong tool to the job. You don't use a saw to pound in a nail.

I think because of that, aikido is falling into the ranks of tai chi, where the emphasis shifts from fighting to spiritual development and inner harmony.

Aikido is a strange art. The more you train, the less inclined to fight you become. You learn that the harder you attack, the easier your defeated. Aikido is almost invincible when you can apply it without an ego. That is what makes it so hard to apply.

The more you want to prove that your years of training makes you the best, the more your ego takes over,and the less effective it becomes. When you've mastered your ego you'll be able to defend yourself from anyone, you'll just probably never have anyone attacking you. It's an interesting paradox, but one that takes a lifetime to learn.
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Old 11-08-2001, 11:30 PM   #33
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An interesting thing happened to me the other day after aikido practice. A new student in the class has a black belt in Tang Soo Do (I think that's right) and he's very, very fast. Another student and I were curious whether or not Aikido could stand up to such a fast art. So we kind of "sparred", not real sparring but really just seeing if he would be able to land any punches on me or something like that.

The small jabs he was capable of were devastatingly fast , but I found that as long as I maintained ma-ai, proper distance, he could not utilize them without overextending himself. I also kept my hands in front of me in an "unbendable arm" kind of stance, so if he were to try to get past he'd have to contend with my arms, in which case I would have had him in a throw, probably iriminage. If he tried to push a kick through I just moved offline and kept ma-ai.

While I have no doubts had he been going full force I would have been easily dissasembled, I was happy with my performance. As only a 5th kyu, being able to keep a black belt of any other art at bay was pretty cool, even when he wasn't really trying. He did, of course, get in a few strikes, lightly.

On thinking about it later I realized that had he been going full force it would have been easier to apply a technique on him, but that would most likely also have resulted in broken bones on my part when I wasn't quick enough. After this encounter I feel confidant in Aikido's ability to be effective, even when a technique is not used. Were I a high ranking aikidoka I could probably have done much better.

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Old 11-10-2001, 03:44 PM   #34
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Quote:
Originally posted by joebann
Ivan, I'd have to say aikido is about as practical as tai chi.
Are you saying Tai Chi isn't practical as a self defense art?

I hope you aren't because Tai Chi, when practiced correctly, can be one of the most complete, and devastating of martial arts.

Although I agree on one thing; Tai Chi Chu'an (which means grand ultimate fist by the way) utilizes many of the very same principles as Aikido. Some of the techniques are even almost exactly alike. (Example: Diagnal Flying from the Yang form is pretty much and irimi move.)

I would like post two quotes here that I have heard over and over again from advanced martial artists that I believe apply here.....

1. "It's not the martial art, but the martial artist"

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2> "Aikido works, it just may be that YOUR Aikido doesn't work"

I may be paraphrasing here, but I think you get the point.

Peace,

Kenn

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Old 11-11-2001, 12:31 AM   #35
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Hi all

I have just started aikido and also do thai boxing so I thought that this thread was interesting.

I would say that aikido techniques are effective especially when you don't wish to harm your attacker. Although it may be a bit gentle or soft for some(usually young, fit and strong men) this gentle approach makes it more appealing for the poeple who need self defence the most.

I also have a story about the effectiveness of tai chi: My thai boxing instructor Rod was learning a bit of tai chi with a master that had a good knowledge of the self defence applications of tai chi. He once asked if he could see any of the techniques demonstrated so the tai chi guy did a palm strike to the forehead. The next thing Rod knew he was lying on the ground having just being KOed. Unfortunately this instructor later left to go overseas and since then Rod hasn't found anyone who has near the skill or knowledge.
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Old 11-11-2001, 12:48 AM   #36
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I cant believe it guuys, could u stop all this long talk and tell mi something i could use , like come to the point and tell mi what u think abt this art if it was practical ?

no hard feeelings ok..
I think aikido is wonderful.

Aikido is practical. A good friend of mine trains in several arts, one of which is Muay Thai (which he had been doing for 3 years. He had been studying karate, TKD, and a style of kung fu for 7 each - no exaggerations, this guy is quite skilled). The got into a fight with an aikidoka who had just reached his 3rd year. My friend ended up safely on the ground, his pride hurt but body intact enough to realize that it was time to beat a hasty retreat. I train with several ex-marines, even more ex-army, a parole officer (who is an ex-Fed), and a warrant officer. They never have any complaints.

I hope this is to the point enough to please you.

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