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Old 12-07-2005, 08:48 AM   #1
Paula Lydon
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~~Anyone familiar with bokken training where 'jodan' is with bokken presented like tsuki at nearly face level and 'tachi jodan' is presented as the more familiar over the head stance?~~

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Old 12-07-2005, 10:16 AM   #2
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Re: kamae

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~~Anyone familiar with bokken training where 'jodan' is with bokken presented like tsuki at nearly face level and 'tachi jodan' is presented as the more familiar over the head stance?~~

Thanks!
No, I haven't heard that one, but then I don't know much. I think the "presented like tsuki at nearly face level" one that you described is chudan, and the one with the tip of the sword a few inches off the floor is gedan.

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Old 12-07-2005, 12:44 PM   #3
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Re: kamae

If It's presented at face level it would more likely be Seigan no kamae, Chudan is at the solar plexus area while Seigan is pointed at the eyes... I have never seen a Jodan like this. Just my two pennies.

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Old 12-07-2005, 02:31 PM   #4
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Re: kamae

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If It's presented at face level it would more likely be Seigan no kamae, Chudan is at the solar plexus area while Seigan is pointed at the eyes... I have never seen a Jodan like this. Just my two pennies.
Be careful of all inclusive statements concerning the technical jargon of Japanese martial arts. The usage and definitions of terms vary drastically. One school's chudan is another's gedan. Another schools jodan will be a fourth's hasso, which would be a fifth's in no kamae, which would be a sixth's moku no kamae.

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Old 12-07-2005, 03:14 PM   #5
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Re: kamae

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Be careful of all inclusive statements concerning the technical jargon of Japanese martial arts. The usage and definitions of terms vary drastically. One school's chudan is another's gedan. Another schools jodan will be a fourth's hasso, which would be a fifth's in no kamae, which would be a sixth's moku no kamae.
So very true Kent, as I recall Katori's Migi Gedan no kamae, is much like other's chudan, and Eishin ryu's Hasso is an elbow lift away from katori's Jodan ... Ahh the wonderful strategies of kamae and the oh so many variations.Thanks for clearing up my post, just considered the versions I knew.

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Old 12-26-2005, 09:51 AM   #6
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Is the reason for the lack of consistency in language a function of the vagaries of translation or misunderstanding of Japanese?
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:58 AM   #7
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Neither...

Different dojo, let alone different lineages, use different expressions... it is not connected to any perceived problem with the Japanese language though I'm sure these exist in some cases, just the idiosyncrasies of the sensei.

In my aikido and kendo schools they use jodan for the one pointed at the eyes, and hasso for the one above the head.
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