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Old 12-06-2005, 05:21 AM   #1
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Big Fight

Check out this big fight. Sorry, I should have written BIG fight.

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/1062/

Talk about fighting fire with fire ... is this part of man's eternal instinct? I challenge someone to come up with an aiki solution

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Old 12-06-2005, 06:01 AM   #2
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Re: Big Fight

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I challenge someone to come up with an aiki solution
just don't be there - you see this sort of thing with football. Basically as soon as the chants start, calmly head off in another direction (never run and avoid subways) or duck into a cafe (not pub) and wait until the noise dies down.

Failing that, if you get caught in it, don't stop, keep your gob shut, keep moving for the outside of the crowd, don't allow anyone to delay you (yes, even if that means you take a hit or two on the way) stay on your feet at all costs and leg it for the nearest train station etc. where there will be police. If you're with others, and you're bothered about their safety, always make sure you're in physical contact with them and if anyone falls, getting them back on their feet is your first priority, even if it means hurting them in the process (wrenched arm/neck < stomped while the children play)

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Old 12-06-2005, 09:04 AM   #3
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Re: Big Fight

Not very organised was it? With a bit of training, the reds could have beaten the blues with 30% less people, leaving about 50 in reserve. I love the 'slow down as we get to 10 feet and wait until someone else makes a move.' Seen more aggression in a old peoples home drug queue.

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Old 12-06-2005, 11:51 AM   #4
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Reminds me of school.
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Old 12-06-2005, 02:21 PM   #5
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Pathetic and sad I hope they all beat themselves up badly don't deserve anything less.
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:32 PM   #6
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Re: Big Fight

anyone know the context of this fight? it seemed very staged. are they football firms or the like? or political, or just bands of thugs...? it'd be interesting to know.
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Old 12-06-2005, 10:17 PM   #7
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Re: Big Fight

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Check out this big fight. Sorry, I should have written BIG fight.

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/1062/

Talk about fighting fire with fire ... is this part of man's eternal instinct? I challenge someone to come up with an aiki solution
Rupert,

My take is Shomen-ate, Aigamae-ate, ushiro-ate, gyaku-aigamae-ate and ushiro-ate, with lots of tai-sabaki.

Boon.

SHOMEN-ATE (TM), the solution to 90% of aikido and life's problems.
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Old 12-06-2005, 11:21 PM   #8
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Re: Big Fight

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My take is Shomen-ate, Aigamae-ate, ushiro-ate, gyaku-aigamae-ate and ushiro-ate, with lots of tai-sabaki.

Boon.
Wait a minute - I think you got the order wrong

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Old 12-06-2005, 11:58 PM   #9
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Re: Big Fight

I can't believe that person parking their car and walking away while all this was brewing. Even if you couldn't leave the parking lot there was plenty of better places to put it.

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Old 12-07-2005, 10:35 AM   #10
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Re: Big Fight

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Rupert,

My take is Shomen-ate, Aigamae-ate, ushiro-ate, gyaku-aigamae-ate and ushiro-ate, with lots of tai-sabaki.

Boon.
Tai no henko would also be excellent here. As in, henko'ing your tai a fair distance away...

Josh Reyer

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Th'assay so harde, so sharpe the conquerynge...
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Old 12-08-2005, 02:01 AM   #11
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Re: Big Fight

Think it may have been Paris a couple of weeks back...........

A difficult problem is easily solved by asking yourself the question, "Just how would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
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Old 12-08-2005, 03:14 AM   #12
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Re: Big Fight

Best advert ever on thread: "George Ledyard's Aiki-Sword DVD Set - 2-DVD set: Principles of Swordsmanship"!!!!

Yes, I agree with George: use swords! Or better yet, as we know from another thread: machine gun beats katana.

/hilarity ensues

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Old 12-08-2005, 08:13 AM   #13
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Re: Big Fight

Actually, the only system which teaches anything specifically designed for this type of situation that I have seen is the Systema folks. They actually practice massed attacks like that. Get a hold of Vladimir Vasiliyev's Mass Attacks video.

Apparently there is a Russian tradition of getting two huge groups together and getting drunk and then smashing the two groups together for a big brawl.Just for "fun". I suppose it was a "playful" way to get people ready for the battlefield in the old days.

Anyway, they actually do practice this at seminars when they have a big group. Everybody bunches together and thyen starts to move and you practice how to find the holes through which you can move. Then they'll designate some folks to be the "defenders" and the rest start to hit them, not with any great intention but hard enough, and they learn how to use their arms to both cover their heads and begin to do a sort of helicopter movement around their heads which begins to clear space as the attackers start to get struck.It's a very sensible and simple movement technique and it definitely works. Ithink the practice is mostly designed to remove the panic response many of us get in a tight crowd situation like that. I know how I felt during a neighborhood festival in Tokyo one time. We were packed into those narrow streets shoulder to shoulder. I felt myself wondering what I'd do if something went bad.

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