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Old 10-27-2005, 05:24 AM   #1
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Damn that shoulder!!

Hi, I had to have my shoulder operated because it kept popping out (hurts like hell btw ). The thing is, I started doing aikido with my friend and now i have to wait half a year while he can keep on trying. Damn the horror!!! So frustrating, he was never better in anything, but if he keeps training while i have to sit on my lazy butt he's gonna get better than me! I have this serious issue of acknowledging people are better than me, haha. And in most of the cases, I'm right (no I'm not an egoselfish dick who thinks he's better than Jezus ) I CAN aknowledge some things, anyway, let me get back to the point. I was wondering if some people know any good methods of "training" in my condition, and I was also wondering if there are any people (who also had an operation) if they had any problems getting started again, after revalidation off course, or how they responded, what they did, etc etc.
I was just wondering
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:32 AM   #2
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Location: Orlando, FL
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Re: Damn that shoulder!!

I have a trick shoulder that has cost me much time on the mat. It still remains to be seen whether I can escape the surgeon's knife.

I chose to make use of the down time by re-reading a good portion of my Aikido library, and endeavoring to gain a better understanding of the history, philosophy and politics of the art. Also, I have not stayed out of the dojo, but have instead traveled to other areas to visit and absorb, meet some of the more influential and learned Aikido people, attend seminars, seek out new ideas, and generally look for answers to the (many) questions I have developed through the years.

It's been an adventure of sorts, and will always have an influence on the way I train. It has shown me the rich diversity of ideas and personalities that exists within the people of Aikido, and I feel much the better for having made the journey in this manner. And the journey isn't over...
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:12 AM   #3
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Dojo: University of Ulster, Coleriane
Location: Northern Ireland
Join Date: Oct 2000
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Re: Damn that shoulder!!

shoulders are so important in aikido - diffcult to do much without it (I should know, 'cos I disslocated my collar bone along time ago). However more recently I've been thinking about the feeling of the hips directly after the start of 'contact' with an uke.

What you can practise is the foot movement, particularly the foot movement associated with holding down someone's sword in weapon work - i.e. drawing back and off centre and slightly dropping the hips whilst staying quite upright. I think a very underrated but essential movement - it is the way to draw someone out of their 'sphere of power' as Ueshiba would say.

Also, just moving from side to side with your feet (tucking back foot behind front).

Apparently the speed of Ueshiba's foot work had to be seen to be believed - and personally I think speed of footwork is one of the hardest things to develop for practical self-defence (many self-defence books say it is too slow to move your whole body, but there is a massive advantage to it).

I must admit, I tended to do alot of kicking when I first damaged my shoulder; and more recently I did tai-chi to keep my shoulder moving after some minor damage. If you can move your shoulder at all, try something gently with it (but not with a partner 'cos they tend to rip it out again!)

---understanding aikido is understanding the training method---
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Old 10-30-2005, 07:10 AM   #4
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Dojo: Nes- Ziona, "the red house"
Location: Israel
Join Date: Dec 2001
Posts: 137
Re: Damn that shoulder!!

I can't tell you what to do in terms of Aikido training while you heal-
But my good advice is that you take your rehabilitation seriously and do Physiotherapy. Keep doing the excersices they give you in order to strengthen your shoulder so that when you do return to Aikido, you will be less prone to further damage to it.
I guess some foot work, breathing techniques and flexibility excersices can be done while you're healing (keeping the shoulder uninvolved), but I'm not experienced enough to tell you which techniques will be good and which won't.
All in all- hope you recover fast and return to do the things you love! If Aikido means alot to you, than losing half a year won't be that bad when you'll look at it in 20 years time!
Fast recovery and good health!
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Old 10-30-2005, 08:29 AM   #5
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Dojo: Alpharetta Martial Arts
Location: Alpharetta, GA
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Posts: 68
Re: Damn that shoulder!!

You can still go to class, learn and watch. Maybe even just have sensei go over taisabaki with you, thats the important stuff anyways.
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Old 10-30-2005, 09:43 AM   #6
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Location: Florida Gulf coast
Join Date: Jun 2000
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Re: Damn that shoulder!!

No operation yet, but major rotator cuff issues.
Physical therapy rehabiliation exercises helped.
Cardio conditioning can help. Footwork, tenkan, rhythm training.
Read and observe as much as possible.

Lynn Seiser PhD
Yondan Aikido & FMA/JKD
We do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training. Train well. KWATZ!
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