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Old 07-07-2005, 12:56 PM   #1
Steven Tame
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resistance / aerobic training

I got pretty sick earlier this year with something called "Hyperthroidism" which basically makes your metabolism sky rocket and can cause palpitations and the like. I lost a lot of weight while I was sick.

I had to take a 2 month break from my Aikido training and eased back in to it slowly. The Aikido alone has had an amazing effect on the condition of my body and I'm now back to a healthy weight although I feel that I lack the strength and stamina that I had before.

I was thinking of starting some resistance / aerobic training but I always read that it can interfere with ones Aikido. My Aikido is currently the best it has ever been in my opinion since I can't afford to put muscle power in to the techniques. I was recently told off for being too soft when it is usually the opposite

Anyway, I was thinking I'd like to gain about another 10lb/5kg or so and get more toned. I'm currently about 143lb/65kg. Do you think it would hurt my Aikido a lot? Oh and just for the sake of proportion my height is 5' 7" / 168cm

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Old 07-07-2005, 12:58 PM   #2
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Re: resistance / aerobic training

IMO, gaining muscle never hurts. Of course aikido is not really about muscle. But its up to you , if you think u need more muscle in order to perform , go for it.
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:05 PM   #3
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Re: resistance / aerobic training

For your aerobics, do techniques to music.
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Old 07-07-2005, 01:27 PM   #4
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Re: resistance / aerobic training

Steven, I run three days a week and do Aikido on the intermediate days. Generally I run for thirty minutes at between 75% to 85% of my threshold of training which is 220-your age x the percentage you are seeking. I can tell you that running has definitely helped my Aikido as far as stamina. I can generally out last most people on the mat as far as stamina. Plus when you are having a stressful experience, you body treats it as if you are just out for a run.

I have read post where people put down the value of aerobics conditioning, but personally I think they do this because they don't want to get out on the road or the treadmill and run.

One caveat though, make sure you are heart healthy before you start a running routine.
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Old 07-07-2005, 02:57 PM   #5
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Re: resistance / aerobic training

Its all about fitness, only you are responsible for your fitness. People knock resistance training primarily because the goals of most resistance programs are irrelevant to aikido goals, i.e. strength, or bulk, or looking good. The only thing I have heard against aerobics is that lots of "fit" people come into the dojo and still get winded quickly because picking your thrown carcass up off the mat repeatedly is so different than most aerobic training.

Anyway, you want athletic fitness so train your core, your pillar of strengh. Get the book Core Performance by Mark Verstegen, published by Rodale Press, forget everything you have ever been told (except to check with your doctor first) about "working out", aerobics, stretching, etc. and develop a plan for yourself. Then work it. See also www.coreperformance.com.

Aikido does require strength, just not the upper-body strength promoted in most weight training programs you can find. Its about strength radiating from the hara, the hips, the core. You need strength in your legs to work with a lowered center, in your toes and feet to connect to the earth. This is what the suwariwaza training accomplishes, a strengthening of your system from the toes to the hara to give you pillar strength at your core. You can build a core performance program to provide injury prevention, elasticity, core strength and stability, and energy system development with a focus on your needs as an akidoist.

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Old 07-08-2005, 12:46 PM   #6
Steven Tame
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Re: resistance / aerobic training

Hi Johnny, I was actually doing the running for 30 mins 3 times a week @ 75% of 220 - my age until I got sick but I was also doing resistance training on 3 of the other 4 days. It was actually working quite well but obviously I became un-fit to continue when I got sick.

I'm due to see the specialist doctor again for a review in a couple of weeks so hopefully I'll get the all clear.

By the way, I used to do squats and thinking about it squats and suwari-waza + all the ukemis that put extra stress on the knees doesn't seem like a good combination. Anyone had any experience of this?
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Old 07-08-2005, 01:30 PM   #7
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Because of a separated clavicle I don't lift like I used to. Now I am not saying you should not lift weights, but one of the problems of weight lifting is the possible loss of flexibility. There are two guys in our group who lift a lot. I can tell big difference when I work out with them, since their shoulders tend to be tight. I have started doing a 1000 sword cuts a day since we met with Hiroshi Kato Sensei. Between sit ups, crunches running and sword cuts I feel like I am getting the fitness I need for Aikido. You are right though the suwari is tough on the knees. I just recently bought a pair of knee pads that are thin not bulky. I believe they were made for volley-ball. Were you in Japan when you became ill?

I know that my asthma and allergies have actually gotten better since I have been running, but out here in west Texas, I still have allergy problems from time to time. 50 mph winds plus dust just isn't fun. My wife and I are considering purchasing a treadmill.
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Old 07-08-2005, 01:34 PM   #8
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Re: resistance / aerobic training

Quote:
Mark Smith wrote:
Its all about fitness, only you are responsible for your fitness. People knock resistance training primarily because the goals of most resistance programs are irrelevant to aikido goals, i.e. strength, or bulk, or looking good. The only thing I have heard against aerobics is that lots of "fit" people come into the dojo and still get winded quickly because picking your thrown carcass up off the mat repeatedly is so different than most aerobic training.

Anyway, you want athletic fitness so train your core, your pillar of strengh. Get the book Core Performance by Mark Verstegen, published by Rodale Press, forget everything you have ever been told (except to check with your doctor first) about "working out", aerobics, stretching, etc. and develop a plan for yourself. Then work it. See also www.coreperformance.com.

Aikido does require strength, just not the upper-body strength promoted in most weight training programs you can find. Its about strength radiating from the hara, the hips, the core. You need strength in your legs to work with a lowered center, in your toes and feet to connect to the earth. This is what the suwariwaza training accomplishes, a strengthening of your system from the toes to the hara to give you pillar strength at your core. You can build a core performance program to provide injury prevention, elasticity, core strength and stability, and energy system development with a focus on your needs as an akidoist.
Mark, One of the things Kato Sensei mentioned to build the legs was doing side squatting sword cuts 500 times a day. I have not worked up to 500, but I can tell you they really blast the leg muscles
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Old 07-08-2005, 01:34 PM   #9
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Re: resistance / aerobic training

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Steven Tame wrote:
By the way, I used to do squats and thinking about it squats and suwari-waza + all the ukemis that put extra stress on the knees doesn't seem like a good combination. Anyone had any experience of this?
Properly performed, squats and their variations (lunges, overhead squats, zercher squats....) have been shown to be very good at strengthening and stabilizing the knees.

The key here is "properly performed". Generally, people tend to use too much weight, poor form or a combination of the two. Krista has an excellent tutorial on squats. Although long, it's well worth reading.

Regards,

Paul
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Old 07-19-2005, 09:07 PM   #10
Duval Culpepper
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Re: resistance / aerobic training

I'm trying to get that "Glow" by for the next two months, going to the gym (to gain some muscle mass) and go to aikido. In your opinions, what would be a better regiment:

Heavy lifting and then off to aikido (monday, wednesday, friday) with 30 minute run on tuesday/thursday

or

Aikido on monday/wednesday/friday, with lifting on tuesday/thursday combined with running.

Or does it even really matter. I'm going to the gym for pretty much superficial reasons, but I need some bulk to support my ego, shallow as that be.

cheers.
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:47 PM   #11
Steven Tame
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Re: resistance / aerobic training

Thankfully I wasn't in Japan when I got ill. My doctors appointment has been pushed back to November Damn NHS... It looks like I'm gonna have to make up my own mind on what to do.
I think I'm gonna start out with light weights and see how I feel.

Duval: For putting on muscle one of the most important things is rest. I wouldn't suggest doing Aikido soon after using the gym. Ideally the Aikido and running should be on separate days to weights.

I was doing Aikido Tuesday, Friday and Gym Monday, Wednesday, Saturday
with running in the morning Tuesday, Friday, Sunday

Now my schedule won't allow me to do Aikido on separate days so I'll have to do the best I can with my schedule. Good luck!
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