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Old 04-20-2005, 01:44 PM   #1
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Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

Is aikido an idealized sport/ma and philosophy?
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Old 04-20-2005, 01:53 PM   #2
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

what do you mean by that?

Is impressionism idealized art...or simply a well done style of art? Need more information in order to respond.
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Old 04-20-2005, 01:58 PM   #3
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

Could you please be more vague?

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Old 04-20-2005, 01:59 PM   #4
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no
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Old 04-20-2005, 03:02 PM   #5
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

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no

Yeah...what he said.

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Old 04-20-2005, 03:26 PM   #6
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

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Yeah...what he said.
I'll third the "no".

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Old 04-20-2005, 03:59 PM   #7
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

Maybe I should have posted "Does aikido really work?" The responses are longer.
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Old 04-20-2005, 04:48 PM   #8
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

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Maybe I should have posted "Does aikido really work?" The responses are longer.
Depends on who is trying to make it "work".

It is not practice that makes perfect, it is correct practice that makes perfect.
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Old 04-20-2005, 05:55 PM   #9
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Maybe I should have posted "Does aikido really work?" The responses are longer.
Yes.
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Old 04-20-2005, 09:12 PM   #10
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

Is aikido a sport?
Answer:
1) Yes. If you see it from a point of physical education. Just ask the Shodokan people.

Is aikido a MA?
2) Yes. Just emphasize on the Jutsu part during your on mat practice

Is aikido a philosophy?
3) Yes. Just emphasize on the Do part during your off mat practice.

Is aikido a idealized....?
Yes, if you are in a completive mode.

Do you agree with my answer, Jon?

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Old 04-20-2005, 09:23 PM   #11
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

Depends on you. Its not for me.

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Old 04-20-2005, 09:29 PM   #12
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

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Is aikido a sport?
Answer:
1) Yes. If you see it from a point of physical education. Just ask the Shodokan people.
A person seriously into Shodokan Aikido would not call it a sport either although if you said you did Aikido because of physical fitness and hence saw it as a sport we wouldn't get ourselves in a lather.

Shiai is a mechanism we use to improve our Aikido but to us Aikido (whatever form) is a Budo.

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Old 04-20-2005, 09:48 PM   #13
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

OK Peter,

Quote:
Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport. Shodokan is not a sport....
I am typing this while doing bunny hops. Happy?



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Old 04-20-2005, 09:56 PM   #14
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

Nah - more bunny hops and smile while you are doing it.

I do think that Aikido must be approached as an athletic endeavor (the pursuit of skill and sweat) and some would consider that a definition of a sport. Take away that aspect and one should hesitate to call it Budo. The philosophy of Aikido follows - does not lead.

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Old 04-20-2005, 11:58 PM   #15
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

Sniff! sniff!

Is that smell of BUDO (stale sweat) on you PeterR? Sorry, but I feel a little "Jodan'ish" today.



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Old 04-21-2005, 12:05 AM   #16
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That's ok - I'm perfectly happy to go gedan-ish. Be afraid, be very afraid.

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Old 04-21-2005, 12:20 AM   #17
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

Jodan, Gedan, me-dan, you-dan...

What...you think this is some kind of sport/philosophy club or something? doesn't anyone just train anymore?

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Old 04-21-2005, 02:39 AM   #18
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Re: Is aikido idealized sport/philosophy?

Quote:
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...<snip>...

Is aikido a idealized....?
Yes, if you are in a completive mode.

Do you agree with my answer, Jon?

Boon.

Erratum: It should read:-

Yes, if you are in a contemplative mode.

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Old 04-21-2005, 03:30 AM   #19
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Jodan, Gedan, me-dan, you-dan...
Me Dan? No, me Rob. You Michael.

That guy over there... that's Dan.
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Old 04-21-2005, 05:59 AM   #20
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Dan Dan the Aiki man.
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Old 04-21-2005, 07:19 AM   #21
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i would have a hard time characterizing aikido as a sport. I think the idea of sport includes a scoring system and a winner/loser tension...Last time I checked aikido in a dojo isn't really supposed to have a point system.

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Old 04-21-2005, 08:03 PM   #22
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Nor a winner, nor a loser, nor tension.
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Old 04-22-2005, 07:04 AM   #23
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i would have a hard time characterizing aikido as a sport. I think the idea of sport includes a scoring system and a winner/loser tension...Last time I checked aikido in a dojo isn't really supposed to have a point system.
Yuuko = 1 pt.
Waza ari = 2pts.
Ippon = 4 pts.
Tsuki = 1 pt.

Players will switch being armed with the tanto at the predetermined time limit (1:30 for women, 1:00 for men) or if there ever is a point differential of more than 6.

A warning will be issued if a player steps beyond the play area, grabs his opponent's dogi, is not using taisabaki or drops the tanto.

Winner will be determined by point total. If the points are tied, the winner will be the player with the least number of warnings. If still deadlocked, the judges will confer and decide which player displayed better aikido.

And so on and so forth. Granted, this is for shiai, and is not generally practiced formally in the dojo, unlike randori practice (kakarigeiko, hikitategeiko, randorigeiko).

So is there a sporting aspect to aikido? Yes.

Is aikido a sport? No. Competition plays a relatively minor roll in the grand scheme of practice.

IMO of course.
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Old 04-22-2005, 07:25 AM   #24
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Is the spiral an idealized form that breaks down easily and looses its strength if not executed properly? Is there any room for error?
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