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Old 08-06-2002, 08:12 AM   #1
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Smile Bokken work

I dont suppose anybody has any bokken Kata's or movements that are good for practice?

and preferably in english if not at least translatable, i've got the one off aikidofaq but i'm having a hard time understanding half of it.
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Old 08-06-2002, 08:45 AM   #2
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Old 08-06-2002, 11:49 AM   #3
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Re: Bokken work

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I dont suppose anybody has any bokken Kata's or movements that are good for practice?

and preferably in english if not at least translatable, i've got the one off aikidofaq but i'm having a hard time understanding half of it.

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Old 08-07-2002, 03:56 AM   #4
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Cool

Thank you very much that helps loads!!!

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Old 08-07-2002, 04:55 AM   #5
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Hi Erik,

I was supprised to see that the kumitachi are not the same ones as Saito's (though I thought they were excellent in themselves), where do they derive from? Also the first kumijo is what I would consider the 2nd kumijo. Are these the accepted forms now in most of the US? (I refer back to the kmitachi & kumijo in 1974, so Saito may have updated them later on).

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Pete, If you are wanting single a person kata for bokken, I'm only aware of one (since I think half the point of bokken work is blending). However you have all the suburi, and both the vertical and horizontal (and many other variations) on the eight direction cutting excercise. Drop me an e-mail if you want this stuff and I'll try to type it out on Aikiweb!

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Old 08-07-2002, 05:35 AM   #6
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I'm not Erik, but those are Saotome Sensei's bukiwaza. Note the "ASU" for Aikido Schools of Ueshiba. They are practiced more or less uniformly across all the ASU dojo I've trained in.

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Old 08-07-2002, 07:35 AM   #7
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In reply to petes e-mail, just to prove that a picture can show a thousand words:

8 BOKKEN SUBURI

1. Shomen Uchi

This is done ‘on the spot'. With right foot forwards, drop bokken all the way behind the head. Slide slightly out to the right with right foot, and swing left foot behind (moving off centre line and facing at an angle towards centre line) and simultaneously cut. Step across the ‘centre line' perpendicularly, with the left foot, slide right foot behind, and, facing at an angle toward the centre line, but on the other side (and left foot forwards), cut. Go from side to side, remaining in the same place.

2. Shomen Uchi Komi

As shomen uchi, but the sword does not move straight up and down between cuts. Instead, after the first cut, turn the sword blade up (clockwise) whilst lifting your wrists towards your left temple (you should be looking down the blade, and the blade just below horizontal). Swing the tip of the blade round in a horizontal plane (clockwise, if looking from above), and, when blade is behind head cut down (whilst your feet move into position). On the next cut, your wrists are brought up to your right temple (anti-clockwise, and the fore-arms actually cross over), and the blade turns anti-clockwise on the horizontal plane. Cut down (and right foot should now be forward again). The purpose of this move is to blend with the incoming blade, and therefore do not pull the point of the blade behind your head too quickly when swinging it round.

3. Sword of Universal Ki

From right hanmi (stance), bring your right foot together with your left foot and bend the knees whilst the body completely faces the front and you hold the bokken vertical (blade away from you). You breath in whilst raising the bokken directly vertically and absorb ki from the ground (through your feet) and the sky (through your blade), breathing into your hara. Once the sword reaches full extension above your head, you let it drop behind your head and to the right side whilst taking a large step back with the right foot. Your right foot points out to the right, with your weight mostly on it, and the knee bent directly over it (to the right), whereas you left leg is almost straight (therefore a moderately low posture). Your bokken is horizontal, the blade facing the right, hands just slightly away from your side, tip pointing backwards. During this movement you drop your weight and push your breath further into your hara (1 inch below navel). Then, in one movement you lift the sword directly over the centre of your head and cut down, stepping strongly forwards with your right foot, whilst releasing this breath in a large kiai (shout).

4. Shomen Uchi

Identical to the 1st suburi, however it is moving forwards. Therefore you slide forwards on your right foot (and off centre line) as you cut; then step across the centre line and forwards with your left foot to cut the opponent from the other side etc.

5. Shomen Uchi Komi

Identical to the 2nd suburi, except you step forwards (and off centre line) rather than from side to side.

6. Shomen Uchi Komi Tsuki

Identical to 5th suburi except, after cutting (with right foot forward), you slide forward again with your right foot (and left foot following behind), pushing the point of the blade forward in a stabbing potion towards the bottom of the opponents ribs. Blade should be towards your open side (i.e. left side if your right foot is forward), and horizontal. You then raise your wrists to your left temple for the blocking motion and cut. NB. You don't STEP forwards when you tsuki (thrust), you slide forwards i.e. after a left footed cut you slide forward on your left foot.

7. Shomen Uchi Komi Hidari Tsuki

This is similar to the 5th suburi, although you step forwards with the tsuki. Once you have done the first cut, with the right foot forwards, you step forwards (and slightly to the left of the centre line) with your left foot whilst stabbing directly forwards (and blade facing right). Then you move into the block position, raising your hands to the right temple, and cut stepping forward with the right foot. Notice you cut always with the right foot, and tsuki always with the left foot forwards.

8. Shomen Uchi Komi Migi Tsuki

Identical to the 5th kumitachi, but on the othe side. Therefore you start with the left foot forwards, cut first on the left, tuski on the right, and then cut on your left etc.

BOKKEN KATA

In this the following definitions are used:

Shomen = normal cut (often sliding forwards a little e.g. following the turns)

Shomen uchi komi = a ‘block' with a cut

Tsuki = a thrust

Step = stepping forward with the back foot

Slide = moving forwards, but keeping the same foot forwards

Turn = your hips turn 180 to the open side (without feet moving -- so there's really only one direction you can turn) as you raise the blade directly over your head.

(L) = left foot forward after movement

(R) = right foot forward after movement

NB. In all the tsukis in this kata, you step forwards

The kata is continuous, but after each set you should be in the same starting position

Start with right foot forwards and blade in front of you (normal stance)

1. Slide and Shomen (R), Step and tsuki (L), turn and shomen (R), slide and shomen (R), step and tsuki (L), turn and shomen (R)

2. Step and Shomen (L), Step and tsuki (R), turn and shomen (L), step and shomen (R), step and tsuki (L), turn and shomen (R)

3. Step BACK and Shomen (L), Step (forwards) and tsuki (R), turn and shomen (L), step BACK and shomen (R), step and tsuki (L), turn and shomen (R)

4. Step and Shomen (L), Step and tsuki (R), turn and shomen (L), step and shomen (R), step and tsuki (L), turn and shomen (R)

5. Step forward BUT TURN TO THE RIGHT (bringing your right foot round behind your advanced left foot) and simultaneously Shomen uchi komi [defending from an attack to the right, and then cutting them on their right wrist] (L), step and tuski (R), turn and shomen (L), Step forward BUT TURN TO THE LEFT (bringing your left foot round behind your advanced right foot) and simultaneously Shomen uchi komi [defending from an attack to the left, and then cutting them on their left wrist] (R), step and tsuki (L), turn and shomen (R)

I'm afraid, I'm finding it very difficult to explain the next few moves of this kata! Maybe I'll get it videoed sometime. However just practising these will help develop hip movement.

Happo giri - 8 Direction cut

There are different methods of doing this. I follow Saito's method.

1. Slide and shomen

2. Turn and shomen

3. Slide your back foot round to your rear 90 degrees clockwise (from above), turn your hips ALL the way round so you now face the direction of the foot you just moved, and shomen.

4. Turn and shomen

5. Slide your back foot 135 degrees to your rear (i.e. its just to the left of where your left foot is now!), turn your hips ALL the way round and shomen

6. Turn and shomen

7. Slide your back foot round to your rear 90 degrees clockwise (from above), turn your hips ALL the way round so you now face the direction of the foot you just moved, and shomen.

8. Turn and shomen

9. Slide your back foot 45 degrees to your rear, turn your hips ALL the way round i.e. so you now face the starting direction, and shomen.

Notice there are actually 9 cuts, but only 8 directions, since the first and last cut are in the same direction. I.e. N, S, E, W, SW, NE, NW, SE, N.

Another 8 direction cut

This is to develop different types of cut.

Start in ready posture

1. Shomen

2. Thrust towards throat with tip of blade

3. Bring up left foot and place feet at same level, shoulder width apart:

4. Slice horizontally from left to right (making sure blade tip doesn't go behind body)

5. Slice horizontally from right to left

6. Draw point up to top left corner of you and slice diagonally from top left to bottom right

7. Retrace path, slicing from bottom right to top left

8. Draw point up to top right corner of you and slice diagonally from top right to bottom left

9. Retrace path, slicing from bottom left to top right

10. Step forwards with right foot and shomen

Now, this is only really 7 directions of cut, but you have a thrust as well.

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Old 08-07-2002, 11:44 AM   #8
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Ian,

Are you taught that uchi is a cut? Thats interesting as I've been taught that uchi is really more of a strike than a cut, which is kiri.

Shomen uchi, as I'm taught, is a strike (usually to the top of the head, or forehead)

thereby "knocking" the head back and exposing the throat.

Shomen kiri is a cut to the head. In my experience, the cut starts at the front top of the head and travels down ending at various places, depending on what your sensei is teaching you.

I know that when sensei asks for shomen uchi, I try to make contact on his forehead knocking his head back.

When he asks for shomen kiri, I step in and cut from the top of his head clear through his hara.

The energy is traveling in different directions depending on whether it's uchi or kiri......

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Old 08-07-2002, 12:13 PM   #9
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Hi Erik,

I was supprised to see that the kumitachi are not the same ones as Saito's (though I thought they were excellent in themselves), where do they derive from? Also the first kumijo is what I would consider the 2nd kumijo. Are these the accepted forms now in most of the US? (I refer back to the kmitachi & kumijo in 1974, so Saito may have updated them later on).
I'm not Greg, but Greg has it correct. I don't think you could say what most of the US does as we have all kinds of different things going on.
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Old 08-08-2002, 07:31 AM   #10
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I don't speak japanese Mongo, but you're probably right. Well actually I do speak Japanese, what I mean to say is, I don't understand Japanese.

The japanese we use for weapon work tends to be quite spare, so 'shomen uchi' is often used just as a general term for a vertical cut, even if we're striking the wrist (which I know is wrong since men = head).

To tell the truth, although we obviously do 'head strikes' in kumitachi, all the single person excercise cuts described are cuts from the head down to the waist (in our training).

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