That is the thing Ron, I am not addressing his point. I am addressing the use of stories to persuade people in terms of conflict resolution, and how people see those stories for means of conflict resolution. Stories that inspired the "soft" Aikidoka, and the "hard" Aikidoka. I am talking about stories related to Aikido and how they effect people's views.
In that case, why not start a new thread and don't mention Ellis at all?
Why not at least use REAL events as your examples?
Ron (inquiring minds, and all that...)