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Old 04-04-2012, 01:21 PM   #9
jackie adams
Location: CA
Join Date: Jan 2012
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Re: Politics, the Death of Martial Arts?

Luke Hobbs wrote: View Post
This is about Martial Arts as a whole...

I wanted to bring this up because I recently read two books by my old teacher that quite frankly made me feel quite betrayed by the world of martial arts. The betrayal came not so much from being taught something that just wasn't grounded, but betrayed in the sense that many teachers and students are practicing modified, more aesthetic versions of arts that miss (and probably very severely miss) usefulness for war-time, and believe what they do is "true" and "real" with no actual grounded evidence. The problem is, no-one can say anything because it would be taboo to question the "authorities". God knows how many students are being taught modified arts that have next to no martial value, yet whole-heartedly believe they are. Quite frankly, that is both dangerous and a lie, and will lead to people getting hurt or even killed. This goes from local schools all the way up to "internationally acclaimed" teachers.

The way I see it, unless a person is willing to admit what he's learning or teaching is far removed form the source material to such a degree it probably doesn't work (and give the choice to the student to decide if he still wants to learn it), meaning he or she would have to challenge their own egos, can we say that martial arts is all but dead?

A student is considered rude to ask such things, and many teachers would deem it insulting to be questioned. It'd have even worse repercussions through international organizations as with any institution, teachers are often buddy-buddy and even go to the degree of having "inner-circles" that only the most worthy may be considered invitation to.

Seriously, no wonder we're in a bad state of affairs.
Hello everyone, I would hope my 2 cents will be a benefit to the discussion.

The first paragraph I can see being a problem when a student's expectations are different the directive and school ideology don't match. Often occurring overtime more often later than early on, does a student make such an awareness to the ideological differences. Yes, a conflict that often leaves student feeling betrayed is common. The old jaded student syndrome as I like to call it.

In the second and third paragraph touches on a pet peeve of mine. The assumption anyone can teach. Not everyone by default is a good teacher. Teaching, as it is my belief, is in itself an art. Altruism of a teacher is beneficial. Allowing the ego to get in the way of student learning isn't a sign of the best type of teacher. It hurts the student and the teacher. I think the art of teaching isn't stress well enough in the martial arts.

The third paragraph, if a teacher has good intentions and is looking out for the best interest of the students the issues in the third paragraph are not issues. They are handled differently then the ego ridden teacher with no understanding of what it really means to teach. Student resentment builds further against teachers with unhealthy egos. The Jaded Student Syndrome then become even more reinforced.

Life is yin and yang, we can't lay the onus only on the teacher for a Jade student, the student must take responsibility, understand they too have egos. There are students that are uncooperative, demanding acting with self entitlement, that bad mouth the teacher because they don't get what the want, when they want it.. Being fair and balanced, what I don't hear allot is teachers talking publicly, but privately, how some students are pain in the ass. There is two sides to every story, in all fairness.

Thank you everyone and have a great day.
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