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Old 06-28-2002, 10:20 AM   #19
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 47
I think you're missing the part where it's said that these are the ultimate pin /techniques which would work against everyone allways.

the pin I saw demonstrated did allow for time to walk away, which was nice. it also allowed for killing the other guy while he was defenseless.

I would have to assume that if uke can still get up, nage can still respond.
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