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Old 01-18-2011, 08:35 AM   #3
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Re: Training Paradigms and Science

Erick,

Thank you very much for your reply. I think your spherical diagrams are possibly a good reason for the following difference in body usage Chen Yi Ren and Zhang Chang Xin of liuhebafa. The description of Paul Roberts' body usage is very interesting and triggers consideration about their Five Hearts theory which I think I've linked to in the past. I think their Six Harmonies may be very similar to my three spheres visualization with the limbs added.

http://www.liuhebafachuan.com/Liuheb...in%20Japan.pdf

I will have to investigate the mathematics of of these things more deeply and see how such things apply to practice and one's training partner of both greater and lesser skill than oneself is important. Dan Harden talks about the importance of having trained partners that are acting in a real, resistant way and John Wang of combat shuai jiao speaks much the same way on Rum Soaked Fist. I like John's blindered focus on combat application. Training with people of different levels of skill and resistance will expose you to different fighting tempos (Erick and I have been talking of frequency, same thing), skills usage, the strategies involved to utilize those skills, and will allow one to develop one's thoughts and tactics. This is why Wang Xiangzhai of Yiquan fought and learned from so many people.

So it is with spiritual, emotional, and intellectual discussion with others and partner training. The Sufis have a term for it that escapes my brain at this time as I have not had to use Farsi in nearly four years but Rumi has spoken of the term as a connection most like love. The sama ceremony of the Sufis reminds me very much of what we try to achieve in martial arts in watching the Sufi's surrender to movement whilst whirling we can learn much. There is overlap between sponataneous martial movement, spontaneous spiritual movement, and spontaneous healing movement in many traditions.

http://qi-journal.com/Qigong.asp?-To...chID=QigongFAQ

http://www.qi-journal.com/Qigong.asp...earchID=Jahnke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjSig4DxU_M

http://being.publicradio.org/program...ssionguide.pdf

http://www.qi-journal.com/Qigong.asp...earchID=Jahnke

Erick do you mind if I quote this discussion on my blog? Or if you would be so kind as to post your thoughts in the comments section I would be greatly appreciative.

For those that have been highly critical of meditative origination of martial arts I hope I have provided enough evidence of overlap between systems so one sees that it is not merely an overlap of of culture but also physiological process as well as mental state and similar training paradigms. The idea of one of these monks with former martial experience formulating practice paradigms from dreams is completely valid as dreaming meditation is a very deep practice in the Taoist spiritual circles. Also for those that were dismissive of Erick's assertion that we consider the effects of water as the human body is not water must please research more. This very recent article is quite thought provoking to the efficiency of movement and its effect at a cellular level when we consider tensegrity and integrins as well.

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/34/1...5-9d68d457b282

http://student.biology.arizona.edu/h...tro/intro2.htm

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