Buck

I think the reason this conversation continues is because well...
I think this is a question that is well....never mind.

Here is the formula for against a grappler which 99.9% of Aikidoka will never come up against in a self-defense situation.

1. Yes, find a grappler and train against him intensely and relentlessly. If you want.

2. Or you can by-pass all that long hard work and go to an outside sourse and get the "special how to" info. Good luck with that because that may tell you how without all the hard work but is it isn't the same as putting in the time with the hands on.