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Old 10-20-2008, 04:32 PM   #11
Charles Hill
Dojo: Numazu Aikikai/Aikikai Honbu Dojo
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Re: The HA in SHU-HA-RI

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David Soroko wrote: View Post
Potentially there is a tension between the "personalizes" and the "preserves", how would it be resolved?
My current thinking that "preserving" cannot successfully be part of the HA stage. I believe that doubt plays a big part in destroying what one has learned before. I think that in the RI stage, the individual comes to realize that his/her moving away from the teaching is itself part of the teaching.

Here is a question: Is it possible to go into the HA stage while still maintaining an active teacher/student relationship with a sensei?

In keeping with the Kazuo Chiba example, he became independant very early/quickly in an all but organizational way, did he not?

One more point. I do not think that the shu,ha,ri model is one that can be currently applied to self, ie. "Im in the ha stage." I think it is a model for a teacher to understand what he/she has gone through and can expect/hope students will also go through.

Charles
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