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Szczepan Janczuk wrote:
This kind of falls is completely useless in aikido. The ukes of Ch.Tissier were doing it already 30 years ago.
Even if nage has a real control on uke(which is not a case on this video), he will never be able to throw uke like that. In reality it is uke who is throwing himself, which means that the technique is a fake.
It is some kind of gymnastic not connected to aikido practice.
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I'm kinda obsessed with iriminage, so how do you think we should do iriminage? The uke and nage, of course
Your input would be a tremendous assistance, Sir Janczuk. I'm kinda lost.
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Conrad Gustafson wrote:
I can do the back one, but I agree that it's not too practical so I don't make an effort to perfect it.
The front one (like what Susan posted), however, is awesome. I use it mostly in tests or at seminars when I think there is a chance that nage is going to get too "excited" and try to rip my head off. I stick to them hard and use their body as a pivot to control my own fall. I can protect myself even when the nage is a brute and they aren't trying to let me do it (or expecting me to).
It works even when the head is completely pinned. IMHO, iriminage shouldn't let uke's head rotate around forward in order to allow a front roll, so it's a bad idea to train ukemi that way.
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yeah, I have to agree, the front one feels good. Less impact and I feel very secured, not to mention, it's soundless. You know, sometimes, the sound of impact can frighten other students.
any video regarding your explanation above?
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Susan Dalton wrote:
We've been working on the front version rather than the back version. Here's a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5U2E0kA8_8
We haven't been practicing this way (using nage's knee for support), so thanks for asking . I went through old email and found this video. I'm going to forward it to the person who normally teaches this fall. We've been having one person lie on the floor and have everyone go over him with the front shoulder on his back and the back arm reaching toward the floor (like in example 3). Then we have him get up on hands and knees and we all go over him the same way, just from a little higher spot. Some people are doing the fall from a standing throw, which I have not graduated to yet. (I've only been to a couple of these classes.) After 25 years of the way I'm used to rolling, it feels really, really weird to me, but I think I will like it once I learn it.
And yes, one takes the force of the throw by bending at the waist and then sets up one's own fall, so it can seem fake. Since I'm pushing the big 60, I don't take many break falls anymore. I can take them but why? My chiropractor has gotten enough of my business.
I'm not sure these falls will ever replace rolling out for me, but who knows? I'd like to have another option. |
ahh that's how you do it.
Thx, Susan!
