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Lee Price wrote:
Dan
mmm I can easily understand Mike's explanation of creating a ground path from the elbow...but you say you're talking about something else. There is also the ability to create opposing tension in the inner "suit' without the need to create a ground path.
Is there anything else?? 
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Hi Lee, nothing personal But I am not that much interested in whether or not things are easily understood on the net. There is a false premise that all things are easy to explain and if you don't want or care to do it then you don't know it. It's pure bullshit that some of you are whole heartedly buying into. Many things are more complete than the basic understandings that Mike always states and quotes.
As an example:
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Mike writes:
Generally, the power from the ground goes up the legs to hips and dantien and then the shortest path to the point of application. If you try to route the ground power up over the shoulders, you wind up with "normal" strength, not internal strength. Some Chinese styles (particularly southern styles like Wing Chun, Hakka, etc) keep the elbows and forearms in that line from the waist in order to maximize the power flow. Here's a translation from one of Tung Ying Chieh's books from the 1940's mentioning the idea:
"To loosen the shoulders and drop the elbows means not to concentrate the force at the back of the shoulders. Actually, the strength is transmitted through the upper part of the forearm."
The idea is a fairly common one in a number of Chinese martial-arts.
2 cents.
Mike Sigman
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"The idea is a fairly common one in a number of Chinese martial-arts" might more accurately be stated that this is
your understanding
of the Chinese arts.
These two lines are particularly flawed.
"keep the elbows and forearms in that line from the waist in order to maximize the power flow
Actually, the strength is transmitted through the upper part of the forearm."'
I think people quote a lot and use buzz words and really don't have the experience in application to quite understand what they are reading.
While looking at this we can also examine how it ties in with the all too common specialty of the taiji
one-legged-army and the back and forth movement and the erroneous ideas expressed in this dantien, elbow, and hand in a single line.
Here is another Chen Taiji Master class teacher:
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Forward and backward movement do not belong to Chen style. One small wrong movement and the posture is lost. At this time it is up to the spiral of the legs. The spiral of the leg uses on shun and one ni. The power of the hand and of the elbow is also forbidden to be double heavy (both expressing the same power)
And in the same passage:
At this time you must face forward, directly toward the opponent. The shoulder, elbow and hand, must use yin and yang. (expressing opposite power)
There is more to truly explain how this effect is so profound when force is applied to you, but I will just say that the legs, waist, hara, elbow and hand are moving in opposing spirals (always the union of opposites) and never
in a line from dantien elbow to hand. That is low level understanding and Ueshiba didn't move that way either.
Morihei Ueshiba's own terminology on movement (now properly translated):
"Face your enemy and move with inside and outside spirals on opposite sides of the body
"The ways of stepping with the feet are outside-spirals and inside-spirals. This is taught in practice."
"This is taught in practice….." is an interesting comment. I agree. I wonder if Ueshiba would be here debating it with Szczepan on the internet because Szczepan hadn't heard of Ueshiba's "mumbo jumbo" in his own art before?
In short, I'm not going to deate it either.
Dan